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Quote from: The Big Train on February 03, 2017, 03:43:20 PMQuote from: Rage Against the McKee on February 03, 2017, 03:39:07 PMQuote from: The Big Train on February 03, 2017, 03:29:32 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 02, 2017, 10:15:34 PMYou're looking at the cost of capital and output and not looking at its ability to meet the energy requirements of the Information Age and logistical and subsistence needs of 7 billion peopleWhat percentage of those 7 billion actually benefit from the way things are now? Wouldn't a renewable energy source, for example solar(which is infinite in our timescale) benefit a much higher percentage? I mean eff all the rest who can't afford, or have the capacity to take advantage of fossil fuels, right?Nobody who can't afford electricity from fossil fuels is going to be able to afford it from solar.Did you not see the drop in price? The better it gets the cheaper it will be in the long run. At some point it will cost less. If we don't do anything to advance it that never happens.It seems like what we are doing now is working just fine, then.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on February 03, 2017, 03:39:07 PMQuote from: The Big Train on February 03, 2017, 03:29:32 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 02, 2017, 10:15:34 PMYou're looking at the cost of capital and output and not looking at its ability to meet the energy requirements of the Information Age and logistical and subsistence needs of 7 billion peopleWhat percentage of those 7 billion actually benefit from the way things are now? Wouldn't a renewable energy source, for example solar(which is infinite in our timescale) benefit a much higher percentage? I mean eff all the rest who can't afford, or have the capacity to take advantage of fossil fuels, right?Nobody who can't afford electricity from fossil fuels is going to be able to afford it from solar.Did you not see the drop in price? The better it gets the cheaper it will be in the long run. At some point it will cost less. If we don't do anything to advance it that never happens.
Quote from: The Big Train on February 03, 2017, 03:29:32 PMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on February 02, 2017, 10:15:34 PMYou're looking at the cost of capital and output and not looking at its ability to meet the energy requirements of the Information Age and logistical and subsistence needs of 7 billion peopleWhat percentage of those 7 billion actually benefit from the way things are now? Wouldn't a renewable energy source, for example solar(which is infinite in our timescale) benefit a much higher percentage? I mean eff all the rest who can't afford, or have the capacity to take advantage of fossil fuels, right?Nobody who can't afford electricity from fossil fuels is going to be able to afford it from solar.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 02, 2017, 10:15:34 PMYou're looking at the cost of capital and output and not looking at its ability to meet the energy requirements of the Information Age and logistical and subsistence needs of 7 billion peopleWhat percentage of those 7 billion actually benefit from the way things are now? Wouldn't a renewable energy source, for example solar(which is infinite in our timescale) benefit a much higher percentage? I mean eff all the rest who can't afford, or have the capacity to take advantage of fossil fuels, right?
You're looking at the cost of capital and output and not looking at its ability to meet the energy requirements of the Information Age and logistical and subsistence needs of 7 billion people
Solar power also requires a lot of open land and infrastructure to work. It is feasible in some areas, but less so in others.
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Tidbits for thoughts on green energy meeting needs. China just canceled upcoming coal plants in favor of renewables. In fact, one stat I saw said that China has met all its increased energy needs since 2012 (2013?) with renewables. http://energypost.eu/chinas-continuing-renewable-energy-revolution-global-implications/https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601093/china-is-on-an-epic-solar-power-binge/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/asia/china-coal-power-plants-pollution.htmlSo as the rest of the world removes coal at the very least, or transitions off fossils we are still doubling down, allowing nations like China to expand at a capacity that could power most of Asia. Further, as green energy is already reaching a point that it's cheaper then fossil fuels, continued investment will only accelerate that process and make the US less competitive when we have to spend more for energy then China, India, and Europe. https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/25/cost-of-solar-power-vs-cost-of-wind-power-coal-nuclear-natural-gas/
Quote from: ailksu on February 03, 2017, 08:10:04 PMTidbits for thoughts on green energy meeting needs. China just canceled upcoming coal plants in favor of renewables. In fact, one stat I saw said that China has met all its increased energy needs since 2012 (2013?) with renewables. http://energypost.eu/chinas-continuing-renewable-energy-revolution-global-implications/https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601093/china-is-on-an-epic-solar-power-binge/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/asia/china-coal-power-plants-pollution.htmlSo as the rest of the world removes coal at the very least, or transitions off fossils we are still doubling down, allowing nations like China to expand at a capacity that could power most of Asia. Further, as green energy is already reaching a point that it's cheaper then fossil fuels, continued investment will only accelerate that process and make the US less competitive when we have to spend more for energy then China, India, and Europe. https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/25/cost-of-solar-power-vs-cost-of-wind-power-coal-nuclear-natural-gas/China basically has slave labor to produce solar panels.
Quote from: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 03, 2017, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: ailksu on February 03, 2017, 08:10:04 PMTidbits for thoughts on green energy meeting needs. China just canceled upcoming coal plants in favor of renewables. In fact, one stat I saw said that China has met all its increased energy needs since 2012 (2013?) with renewables. http://energypost.eu/chinas-continuing-renewable-energy-revolution-global-implications/https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601093/china-is-on-an-epic-solar-power-binge/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/world/asia/china-coal-power-plants-pollution.htmlSo as the rest of the world removes coal at the very least, or transitions off fossils we are still doubling down, allowing nations like China to expand at a capacity that could power most of Asia. Further, as green energy is already reaching a point that it's cheaper then fossil fuels, continued investment will only accelerate that process and make the US less competitive when we have to spend more for energy then China, India, and Europe. https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/25/cost-of-solar-power-vs-cost-of-wind-power-coal-nuclear-natural-gas/China basically has slave labor to produce solar panels.Can we not import the panels?
China basically has slave labor to produce solar panels.
Quote from: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 03, 2017, 10:02:23 PMChina basically has slave labor to produce solar panels.when solar-powered robots are making solar panels, how much will the panels cost?
China isn't killing anything technologically ednatard. We're doing fine on solar, and we don't need indentured servants to make it economic. Stop acting like such a dumbfuck.
Ednatard has convinced himself of something based upon a string of logical fallacies. Now, however, he's particularly crude about it.Welcome back ednatard! China is smoking the US in coal! And it's all Pruitt's fault!
Edn gets so whackadoo angry. Happy to see that a region of our nation that over the centuries has experienced droughts that have lasted decades is emerging from a 3 or 4 year drought. Warmists were desperate to blame the drought on global climate disruption, but grudgingly had to admit it was just weather. Maybe next time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 04, 2017, 07:18:54 PMChina isn't killing anything technologically ednatard. We're doing fine on solar, and we don't need indentured servants to make it economic. Stop acting like such a dumbfuck.Do you ever stop to think, maybe you should just beat yourself in the face with a hammer?
