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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #525 on: January 22, 2014, 09:47:05 AM »
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #528 on: January 27, 2014, 11:06:00 AM »
KSU Wildcats is all about getting dat pipe so we don't have tanker car fires any more.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #529 on: January 27, 2014, 11:09:47 AM »
KSU Wildcats is all about getting dat pipe so we don't have tanker car fires any more.

That was a natural gas pipeline that exploded. Oil pipelines don't explode on their own and are much, much safer than rail.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #530 on: January 27, 2014, 11:16:20 AM »
KSU Wildcats is all about getting dat pipe so we don't have tanker car fires any more.

That was a natural gas pipeline that exploded. Oil pipelines don't explode on their own and are much, much safer than rail.

Seems safe to me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_River_oil_spill
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #531 on: January 27, 2014, 12:39:58 PM »
pipelines are more efficient than trains or anything else, so not using them is stupid.  which pipeline, train or tanker has blown up or spilled most recently is just noise.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #533 on: January 27, 2014, 01:04:34 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/science/earth/threat-to-bottom-line-spurs-action-on-climate.html?_r=0

The most ridiculous, least informative article I've read in a long time.

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« Reply #534 on: January 27, 2014, 01:09:00 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/science/earth/threat-to-bottom-line-spurs-action-on-climate.html?_r=0

The most ridiculous, least informative article I've read in a long time.

The world is overpopulated and nothing short of forced sterilization will fix what's truly wrong.

Remember when mocat calculated that everyone in the world would have room to just move to Texas? Oh, man. :lol:

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #535 on: January 27, 2014, 02:28:14 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/science/earth/threat-to-bottom-line-spurs-action-on-climate.html?_r=0

The most ridiculous, least informative article I've read in a long time.

The world is overpopulated and nothing short of forced sterilization will fix what's truly wrong.

Remember when mocat calculated that everyone in the world would have room to just move to Texas? Oh, man. :lol:

Actually I think it was New Hampshire.   :Ugh:
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #536 on: January 27, 2014, 03:18:32 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/science/earth/threat-to-bottom-line-spurs-action-on-climate.html?_r=0

The most ridiculous, least informative article I've read in a long time.

The world is overpopulated and nothing short of forced sterilization will fix what's truly wrong.



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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #537 on: January 27, 2014, 04:25:19 PM »
Haven't checked this thread in a while. Are there any scientific studies saying the global temperature isn't rising yet?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #538 on: January 27, 2014, 04:55:11 PM »
the world is nowhere close to over populated

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #539 on: January 27, 2014, 05:27:59 PM »
the world is nowhere close to over populated

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #540 on: January 27, 2014, 06:26:04 PM »
pipelines are more efficient than trains or anything else, so not using them is stupid.  which pipeline, train or tanker has blown up or spilled most recently is just noise.

This. I can't believe there's even a debate on the utility of pipelines compared to train, truck, etc.

Also this :

http://news.msn.com/us/more-oil-spilled-from-trains-in-2013-than-in-previous-4-decades
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #541 on: January 27, 2014, 06:36:45 PM »
the world is nowhere close to over populated

subjective

subjective yes (i subjectively completely disagree), also objectively wrong.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #542 on: January 27, 2014, 06:42:25 PM »
Haven't checked this thread in a while. Are there any scientific studies saying the global temperature isn't rising yet?

Yeah

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #543 on: January 27, 2014, 07:30:07 PM »
the world is nowhere close to over populated

subjective

subjective yes (i subjectively completely disagree), also objectively wrong.

Objectively, how close are we (humans on earth) to overpopulated?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #544 on: January 27, 2014, 09:49:04 PM »
Objectively, how close are we (humans on earth) to overpopulated?

our ability to measure the degree of overpopulation is imprecise, but we can record and evaluate some measurements.

43% of the earth's land surface is altered by human use.
25% of the world's primary production is used my humans.

obviously, much of the earth's land mass is inhabitable and/or marginally usable for humans, and just as obviously, we already concentrate our use in the most advantageous regions.  there's a lot of slop, but it is unambiguous that we use a much greater % than 43% of the land surface's potential to support humans.

primary production is an even sloppier figure.  humans can use some production more intensively, some more efficiently, and significantly increase (or decrease) the total.  nonetheless there are physical limits on primary production and we already monopolize a substantial proportion.

although a value judgement, and hence subjective, i assume that the notion that we do not wish to limit the economic prospects of the current and future human population to a third-world lifestyle rather than one more closely resembling our own is widespread enough that we can also consider as objective the notion that we must also include the expansion of resource use by the current population as part and parcel to growth in population size.


neither of the above metrics speak to real, but difficult to measure, concepts such as climate change, ecosystem services or loss of biodiversity (resilience), all of which impose other limits on the sustainable expansion of the human population.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #545 on: January 27, 2014, 10:28:23 PM »
thanks, sys. I appreciate your thorough answer. It would be a very interesting study to me to see, at the current global population level, what the equilibrium sustainable standard of living would be with all people being at an equal standard. Obviously 7 billion at suburban omaha levels would smoke the planet in an instant, but maybe all of us could spread out and thrive forever at rural arkansas levels? 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #546 on: January 28, 2014, 09:00:33 AM »
thanks, sys. I appreciate your thorough answer. It would be a very interesting study to me to see, at the current global population level, what the equilibrium sustainable standard of living would be with all people being at an equal standard. Obviously 7 billion at suburban omaha levels would smoke the planet in an instant, but maybe all of us could spread out and thrive forever at rural arkansas levels?

Spreading out is not the most efficient way for us to live.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #547 on: January 28, 2014, 01:37:39 PM »
Objectively, how close are we (humans on earth) to overpopulated?

our ability to measure the degree of overpopulation is imprecise, but we can record and evaluate some measurements.

43% of the earth's land surface is altered by human use.
25% of the world's primary production is used my humans.

obviously, much of the earth's land mass is inhabitable and/or marginally usable for humans, and just as obviously, we already concentrate our use in the most advantageous regions.  there's a lot of slop, but it is unambiguous that we use a much greater % than 43% of the land surface's potential to support humans.

where did you get these figures?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #548 on: January 28, 2014, 01:42:48 PM »
google.
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« Reply #549 on: January 28, 2014, 02:24:40 PM »
Seems legit