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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #450 on: December 06, 2013, 11:17:52 PM »
You should go back and reread the beginning if this thread. The hypotheses of "greenhouse gas" theory are wrong.

"the earth is too big and there are too many inputs to know what is causing the warming and ocean acidification and other effects of the fossil fuels that make exxon and shell and bp and chevron some of the richest corporations in the world" - conservatives unless there is a hiccup in the trend, then they pretend to be scientifically literate and honest all of a sudden.

http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/10/15/some-data-on-education-religiosity-ideology-and-science-comp.html?lastPage=true&postSubmitted=true

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I've got to confess, though, I found this result surprising. As I pushed the button to run the analysis on my computer, I fully expected I'd be shown a modest negative correlation between identifying with the Tea Party and science comprehension.

But then again, I don't know a single person who identifies with the Tea Party.  All my impressions come from watching cable tv -- & I don't watch Fox News very often -- and reading the "paper" (New York Times daily, plus a variety of politics-focused internet sites like Huffington Post & Politico). 

I'm a little embarrassed, but mainly I'm just glad that I no longer hold this particular mistaken view.

Of course, I still subscribe to my various political and moral assessments--all very negative-- of what I understand the "Tea Party movement" to stand for. I just no longer assume that the people who happen to hold those values are less likely than people who share my political outlooks to have acquired the sorts of knowledge and dispositions that a decent science comprehension scale measures.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #451 on: December 07, 2013, 01:48:44 AM »
You should go back and reread the beginning if this thread. The hypotheses of "greenhouse gas" theory are wrong.

Oh, so greenhouse gases do not exist? That's a great argument, K-S-U. You should get far with that one.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #452 on: December 07, 2013, 02:52:29 AM »
You should go back and reread the beginning if this thread. The hypotheses of "greenhouse gas" theory are wrong.

Oh, so greenhouse gases do not exist? That's a great argument, K-S-U. You should get far with that one.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #453 on: December 07, 2013, 07:57:46 AM »
You should go back and reread the beginning if this thread. The hypotheses of "greenhouse gas" theory are wrong.

Oh, so greenhouse gases do not exist? That's a great argument, K-S-U. You should get far with that one.

I'm pretty sure you're not trolling, which is sad, so I'll try to explain this to you again. Of course gasses such as CO2 and H2O exist. The extent to which they have a "greenhouse effect," however, has been overestimated at best. Again, the models that predicted temperatures would rise as greater concentrations of these "greenhouse gasses" entered the atmosphere are wrong.

AGW theory is premised on "greenhouse effect" theory. Thus, your argument that AGW theory is valid because of "greenhouse gasses" is circular reasoning and idiotic. You fit right in among your libtard brothers and sisters.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #454 on: December 07, 2013, 11:34:15 AM »
http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/10/15/some-data-on-education-religiosity-ideology-and-science-comp.html?lastPage=true&postSubmitted=true

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1.  Tea party members are like everyone else, as far as I can tell, when it comes to science comprehension.

Is this something to be proud of?  I don’t think so. It means that if we were to select a tea-party member at random, there would be a 50% chance he or she would say that “antibiotics kill viruses as well as bacteria” and less than a 40% chance that he or she would be able to correctly interpret data from a simple experiment involving a new skin-rash treatment.

2.  Because tea-party members are “just like everyone else,” they too have among their number some individuals who combine a high degree of scientific knowledge with an impressively developed capacity for engaging in critical reasoning.

But because they are like everyone else, these high "science comprehending" tea-party members will be more likely to display politically biased misinterpretations of empirical data than people who display a lower "science comprehension" apptitude. The greater their capacity to engage in analytical thinking, the more systematically they will use that capacity to ferret out evidence congenial to their predispositions and block out and rationalize away everything else.

Moreover, because others who share their values very sensibly rely on them when trying to keep up with what’s known to science, these high science-comprehending tea-party members -- just like high science-comprehending "Democrats" and "Republicans'" and "libertarians" and "socialists" et al.-- will play a principal role in transmitting the reason-effacing pathogens that pervade our polluted science communication environment.


3. Also like everyone else, tea-party members can be expected, as a result of living in a contaminated science communication environment, to behave in a manner that evinces not only an embarrassing deficiency in self-awareness but also an exceedingly ugly form of contempt for others , thereby amplifying the dynamics that are depriving them along with all the other culturally diverse citizens in the Liberal Republic of Science of the full benefit that this magnificent political regime uniquely confers on reasoning, free individuals.

4. Finally, because they are like everyone else, some of the individuals who have used their reason and freedom to join with others in a project they call the “tea-party” movement realize that they have exactly the same stake in repulsing this repulsive pathology as those individuals who’ve used their reason and their freedom to form associations like the “Democratic Party,” the “Republic Party,” the “Libertarian Party,” the “Socialist Party” etc.

very interesting reading(that is from a link in john dougie's article). it's like a next level dunning-kruger syndrome. all intelligence does is give us greater means to confirm our bias.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #455 on: December 07, 2013, 02:13:09 PM »
just saw an article on the same subject.  about a paper with data showing that people showed a pretty high degree of inability to process information that conflicted with their preconceived ideals/beliefs.  no difference between left v right leaning individuals in that.  also no difference in smart v dumb people (that is smart people were still better at it, but the degree that they were impaired when they held conflicting beliefs was the same).
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #456 on: December 07, 2013, 09:49:42 PM »
Yearly temperature anamolies of nearly 1 degree  :runaway:
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #457 on: December 09, 2013, 12:22:28 PM »
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/2013-on-track-to-be-seventh-warmest-year-since-1850-16738


Keep in mind, the people pushing AGW, are the same people telling you fracking is damaging your drinking water.
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With EDN on this one.  Pumping chemicals in the ground puts chemicals in the ground.  Pretty certain of this.

That makes 2 Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) troglodytes.  Anyone else want to out themselves?

Not sure what this means, but still pretty sure putting stuff in the ground makes it go in the ground. No disputing this, sorry.  Also know people that shazbot! and stuff and they laugh that this is even a talking point. 


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #458 on: December 13, 2013, 10:06:09 AM »
It's not just unseasonably cold here - it snowed on the pyramids yesterday. http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-snow-israel-egypt-20131213,0,1691393.story#axzz2nMzV6vMp Can we pump some more "greenhouse gas" into the atmosphere already? This is no fun.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #459 on: December 13, 2013, 10:59:31 AM »
just saw an article on the same subject.  about a paper with data showing that people showed a pretty high degree of inability to process information that conflicted with their preconceived ideals/beliefs.  no difference between left v right leaning individuals in that.  also no difference in smart v dumb people (that is smart people were still better at it, but the degree that they were impaired when they held conflicting beliefs was the same).

you should read "Thinking Fast and Slow".

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #460 on: December 30, 2013, 03:05:34 PM »
Ship of fools (climate change scientists) stranded in heavy ice during the peak of Antarctic summer.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/27/world/antarctica-ship-stuck/

I thought Al Gore said the ice caps would be much smaller by now?  :dunno:
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #461 on: December 30, 2013, 03:06:44 PM »
Ship of fools (climate change scientists)

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #462 on: December 30, 2013, 03:50:38 PM »
Ship of fools (climate change scientists)

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #463 on: December 30, 2013, 05:02:00 PM »
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They went in search evidence of the world’s melting ice caps, but instead a team of climate scientists have been forced to abandon their mission … because the Antarctic ice is thicker than usual at this time of year.

The scientists have been stuck aboard the stricken MV Akademik Schokalskiy since Christmas Day, with repeated sea rescue attempts being abandoned as icebreaking ships failed to reach them.

Now that effort has been ditched, with experts admitting the ice is just too thick. Instead the crew have built an icy helipad, with plans afoot to rescue the 74-strong team by helicopter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531159/Antarctic-crew-build-ice-helipad-help-rescuers.html#ixzz2p0BOO8Sv
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #464 on: December 30, 2013, 07:42:47 PM »
I will admit, that is pretty funny.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #465 on: December 31, 2013, 12:46:15 PM »
Ship of fools (climate change scientists)

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There was a bar in NYC named Ship of Fools that used to host the K-State watch partys. It closed, tho.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #466 on: January 03, 2014, 01:21:25 PM »
:lol: Rachel Maddow is not amused.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #468 on: January 03, 2014, 08:11:12 PM »
It's like you guys have never even seen The Day After Tomorrow.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #469 on: January 03, 2014, 09:27:38 PM »
:lol: Rachel Maddow is not amused.



She appears to have lost weight, yet gained androgyny. How is this possible?!?!?  Warmingesque anamoly???
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #470 on: January 04, 2014, 03:28:25 PM »
It's like you guys have never even seen The Day After Tomorrow.

I did, but it wasn't as funny as "An Inconvenient Truth".

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #471 on: January 04, 2014, 05:39:15 PM »
Great thread title
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #472 on: January 05, 2014, 08:59:15 AM »
Seemed appropriate for thread...

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #473 on: January 06, 2014, 03:43:12 AM »
The other interesting things is, the explorer they were seeking to copy sailed right into the region on seas with very little ice back in January 1912.  Today, the ships are stuck in ice and 70 miles short of where Mawson sailed into Commonwealth Bay Antarctica on open waters over 100 years ago. 




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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #474 on: January 06, 2014, 09:07:19 AM »
The other interesting things is, the explorer they were seeking to copy sailed right into the region on seas with very little ice back in January 1912.  Today, the ships are stuck in ice and 70 miles short of where Mawson sailed into Commonwealth Bay Antarctica on open waters over 100 years ago.

Greenhouse gases are just a fact. They cause the earth to warm like a greenhouse. Everybody knows this. The warming is obviously hiding somewhere - probably deep in the ocean, way below where all this additional ice seems to be forming. One of these years, it's gonna be drier and hotter than "normal," and then you'll see!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.