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[Kat Kid]

I'm not sure we're following each other here.

"They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,"

he stuffs pillows against the doors and “puts a large red hood over his head and laptop when entering his passwords.”

ha.  Did not read that.

[0.42]

why the hoodie? because satellites n' crap

really though, it'd be easier to dismiss this guy as completely nuts if there weren't other whistleblowers out there who have said similar things without going to as much detail. Sure, you could argue that these guys all had some sort of motivation to eff the US government, but many of them never did it for profit and often knew they'd get nothing but crap for it (see: William Binney getting FBI'd while taking a shower). Plus you add in the fact that they easily have the technological capability to do the things these whistleblowers are talking about and it's hard to believe that the NSA would really want to rein themselves in on applying the full extent of technology to everyone and anyone they can. Their job is to know everything about what's going on in the world that could supposedly harm the country, so they're going to want to use everything they can to reach that goal. Add in a bunch of rhetoric about the world changing because of terrorism, scare the eff out of the american public and by proxy Congress, and boom. You have carte blanche to do whatever you want behind the scenes. Sounds like a pretty good deal for the NSA, doesn't it?

Honestly, the only persuasive argument that I could entertain stating the NSA isn't sucking in all of our communications is that it could make things inefficient as hell. But that's why they'd have algorithms, to sift through the morass of information coming in and then have humans on duty for quality control. If you expect me to believe that an intelligence agency is going to collectively have a conscience in wanting to respect the civil liberties of the American public or even just the 4th Amendment in general, then you're the one who's nuts.

[ChiComCat]

If the government had the technological ability and the efficiency that this guy is claiming, he would never of been able to leak the story.

[felix rex]

It's like you believe there's a monster in you room and you hide under the covers. Even if there is a monster, you're a moron.

[felix rex]

many of them never did it for profit and often knew they'd get nothing but crap for it (see: William Binney getting FBI'd while taking a shower).

Bad example (thinthread vs trailblazer). But as a qualifier, I'll again say I no nothing.about binney.

[0.42]

many of them never did it for profit and often knew they'd get nothing but crap for it (see: William Binney getting FBI'd while taking a shower).

Bad example (thinthread vs trailblazer). But as a qualifier, I'll again say I no nothing.about binney.

k. i enjoyed this btw:

It's like you believe there's a monster in you room and you hide under the covers. Even if there is a monster, you're a moron.

[felix rex]

How inefficient must the government be at reading our emails? I mean people I work with (private industry) can barely keep up on email.

The sequester is actually just a coverup to clear our inbox.

[star seed 7]

How inefficient must the government be at reading our emails? I mean people I work with (private industry) can barely keep up on email.

The sequester is actually just a coverup to clear our inbox.

brilliant move by the bilderbergs.

[felix rex]

How inefficient must the government be at reading our emails? I mean people I work with (private industry) can barely keep up on email.

The sequester is actually just a coverup to clear our inbox.

it was kim carnes' idea
brilliant move by the bilderbergs.

[ChiComCat]

If they could organize mine a bit more while they're in there, I would appreciate it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

[sys]

Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret. Hire the triads to drop him out a window and he'll fall. Hire the triads to set fire to him and he'll burn. Hire the triads to bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage

i could be convinced that felix rex is satan.  sweet seducer whispering his literary allusions to the masses.

[Kat Kid]

Rick Perry is coming up on Cavuto!

[Kat Kid]

"Back there on the campaign trail we talked about getting rid of some of those government agencies."
  

"Culture of intimidation.  The idea that this is all about terrorism is a red herring.  There is a mentality you go get whatever information you can get."

Also proposed that we should limit the amount of days that Congress meets.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hmmm . . . Inside every Progressive Democrat is a Dictator trying to get out.

[sonofdaxjones]

What is the known budget of our Intelligence Agencies . . . something like $80 Billion dollars a year.   Then there's the "black budget".   

[Kat Kid]

Hmmm . . . Inside every Progressive Democrat is a Dictator trying to get out.

Che T-Shirts!

[sonofdaxjones]

Hmmm . . . Inside every Progressive Democrat is a Dictator trying to get out.

Che T-Shirts!

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

 

[sonofdaxjones]

[kstatefreak42]

Bluffdale Utah Data mining center. Holds up to 100yrs worth of communications.


Orwelian Discrimination

[EMAWmeister]

Some of you need to move this to the Facebook thread

[DQ12]

And dlew, if it helps, no one is reading your emails. There's a huge difference between the ominous sounding "intercept" and actual "surveillance".

Imagine if the discovery phase in a case worked slightly different, and instead of requesting documents, you had access to a huge repository of potentially relevant data. But if you used your subpoena to access a document you weren't sure was discoverable and hadn't been vetted, you were thrown off the case, suspended without pay and faced possible termination and criminal charges (even if you discovered an unrelated crime and even if that crime was serious).

No one is haphazardly rooting through your stuff.

Yeah but that's not how discovery works and there's a reason for that and I think the reason is more than "we've never had the capacity to create a repository of potentially relevant data."

I understand that no one is reading through my email, but it's still troubling, right?

I'd be interested in hearing your take on whether or not this poses some 4th amendment problem and if so, to what degree?

[kstatefreak42]

Bluffdale Utah Data Mining Center.

[Stevesie60]

So obviously 99.9% of people will never be directly affected by this. At least in the sense that Obama is not going to type in "Stevesie60" and see something I did on the internet or my phone that needed his attention. But if this is true, and they do have as much info stored as some have claimed, then what does that mean for the people who hold that information? That would be able to blackmail anyone in the US. That means they could play a heavy hand in elections or getting bills passed that benefited them, etc.