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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2013, 03:07:06 PM »
How many years do you have to go back before they start to take the advantage in head to head wins? I'd guess late 60's.
Dax did this last summer IIRC, and I think you're about right.


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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2013, 04:12:23 PM »
Hard to believe such a shitty program could still own the all-time series vs. K-State by 25 games, and still doesn't come close to matching K-State in all-time losses.  If anyone knows futility, it's K-State fans.

Beems, K-State has lost 615 games, KU has lost 580.  With your almost guaranteed continued run of 9+ loss seasons you'll surpass us in losses in less than five years.

Also since you guys always like to bring up your one BCS bowl win, since the formation of the BCS in 1998
K-State is 121-68.  KU is 72 -107.



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Kinda tough to believe we've lost that many games since 1998.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2013, 06:23:37 PM »
You guys love to talk recent history, so let's do it.  In the last 10 years, K-State has had three seasons worthy of tough guy talk ('03, '11, and '12).  The other seasons in that stretch were mediocre at best.  As for KU, we've had one season in the last 10 years worthy of tough guy talk ('07).  The other seasons in that stretch were disgraceful to mediocre.  K-State is 6-4 vs. KU in the past 10 years.  The main difference between the two programs is that K-State's lows haven't been as low as KU's.  Turner Gill was a much worse coach than Ron Prince, without a doubt. 

All that being said, KU has consistently out-recruited K-State in the past few years, despite having worse teams.  What this tells me is that KU is a more attractive program for athletes in terms of facilities and playing time.  Snyder and K-State do a better job of developing talent and recruiting guys who can excel in one area and play a vital role in the team's overall success.  Harper and Brown were big-time talents, but those guys transferred in after going elsewhere.  K-State isn't stockpiling that type of talent on its roster.

In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction.  Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence).  I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year.  K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense.  Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here).  Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching.  K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2013, 06:41:53 PM »
In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction.  Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence).  I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year.  K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense.  Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here).  Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching.  K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
I'll readily admit KU has capable athletes, but of the 5 you listed, only 2 have ever shown on the field they're capable.  Pierson and Sims are legitimately very good backs.  That other kid who transferred prior to last year was another very good back.  But in college, good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm taking a wait and see approach with Heaps, McCay and Combs.

I don't obsess over KU.  I take interest in just how bad KU has been over the last few years because it's quickly approaching a historical status - if KU goes 0 fer again in conference this year, they tie turn of the century Baylor for the longest losing streak in Big 12 history.  The not having won a road conference game since W was in office is also interesting.  I hope K-State beats KU every year because they're our rival and it's fun to hate your rival and it's fun to beat your rival, especially when your rival is a great college basketball power house.   

Regarding KU: there will be years in the future where KU will rise up and have a mediocre year, and every once in a while, have a great year like '07, because that's just how things go.  I don't think those years are coming up for KU, because I think Weis is a loser at the college level, but who knows.

I wouldn't say K-State's program is some "well oil-machine," but it's about as strong as its ever been, even at the height of the "DOD."  Snyder won't be around forever, but I'm confident that Athletic Department will be much more conservative about its hire the next go around, and by that I mean, it's going to be somebody in the Snyder tree.  I'm convinced that's the only way games can be won at a Kansas school - the Snyder way.  So if it's Del, or whomever (save for Sean), they will have coached under Bill and hopefully will have learned enough about the way he's done it to transition K-State into the next era.

When Bill retires, the program will certainly be at a crossroads, but anyone afraid that things are going to permanently swing in the other direction is kidding themselves.  K-State will simply not accept football being poor, whereas KU has shown they will.  K-State fans and the administration make football the head honcho in the AD, and for that reason alone, K-State football is here to stay.  Maybe not at an elite level year in and year out, but certainly at a "good level."

TLDR: KU will continue to be consistently mediocre at best and K-State will be consistently mediocre at worst because K-State takes football seriously and KU doesn't.
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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2013, 06:48:58 PM »
Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beems aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!
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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2013, 06:54:14 PM »
In my opinion, the reason why K-State fans are constantly obsessing over KU is because you guys know that in the blink of an eye, things can swing the other direction.  Look no further than the '03 to '04 seasons, where K-State went from Big 12 champs to 4-7 (with a loss in Lawrence).  I see some similarities from that season to this upcoming year.  K-State will have to replace a bunch of playmakers on defense and the heart of its offense.  Weis and KU were very close to beating Texas and Texas Tech last year, and also came within a TD of beating a pretty good Oklahoma State team (insert joke about moral victories here).  Deep down inside, K-State fans know that KU has capable athletes (Sims, Pierson, Heaps, McCay, Combs), and an offense that could be really good if given the right coaching.  K-State fans have now convinced themselves that the program is now just some well-oiled machine that will dominate everyone for the next decade, but I think you might be in for a rude awakening if that's your expectation.
I'll readily admit KU has capable athletes, but of the 5 you listed, only 2 have ever shown on the field they're capable.  Pierson and Sims are legitimately very good backs.  That other kid who transferred prior to last year was another very good back.  But in college, good running backs are a dime a dozen. I'm taking a wait and see approach with Heaps, McCay and Combs.

I don't obsess over KU.  I take interest in just how bad KU has been over the last few years because it's quickly approaching a historical status - if KU goes 0 fer again in conference this year, they tie turn of the century Baylor for the longest losing streak in Big 12 history.  The not having won a road conference game since W was in office is also interesting.  I hope K-State beats KU every year because they're our rival and it's fun to hate your rival and it's fun to beat your rival, especially when your rival is a great college basketball power house.   

Regarding KU: there will be years in the future where KU will rise up and have a mediocre year, and every once in a while, have a great year like '07, because that's just how things go.  I don't think those years are coming up for KU, because I think Weis is a loser at the college level, but who knows.

I wouldn't say K-State's program is some "well oil-machine," but it's about as strong as its ever been, even at the height of the "DOD."  Snyder won't be around forever, but I'm confident that Athletic Department will be much more conservative about its hire the next go around, and by that I mean, it's going to be somebody in the Snyder tree.  I'm convinced that's the only way games can be won at a Kansas school - the Snyder way.  So if it's Del, or whomever (save for Sean), they will have coached under Bill and hopefully will have learned enough about the way he's done it to transition K-State into the next era.

When Bill retires, the program will certainly be at a crossroads, but anyone afraid that things are going to permanently swing in the other direction is kidding themselves.  K-State will simply not accept football being poor, whereas KU has shown they will. K-State fans and the administration make football the head honcho in the AD, and for that reason alone, K-State football is here to stay.  Maybe not at an elite level year in and year out, but certainly at a "good level."

TLDR: KU will continue to be mediocre at best and K-State will be mediocre at worst because K-State takes football seriously and KU doesn't.


That's just not true.  Gill was fired after only two years.  KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase.  The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over.  KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.  We will simply keep trying until we get it right.  The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming. 

As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds.  K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone.  You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics.  Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2013, 06:55:54 PM »
Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!


Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion.  You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2013, 06:59:21 PM »
Charlie isn't getting fired, for all the obvious reasons
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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2013, 07:00:30 PM »
Where is the investments for football coming from for ku?  Have to win games for a ticket scandal to work.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2013, 07:04:05 PM »
Gill was fired after only two years.  KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase.  The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over.  KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.

KU won't fire Weis next year.  He could lose every single game and get one more year.  The only reason they fired Gill after two years is because he was black. 

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« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2013, 07:05:50 PM »
Gill was fired after only two years.  KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase.  The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over.  KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.

KU won't fire Weis next year.  He could lose every single game and get one more year.  The only reason they fired Gill after two years is because he was black.

Only at ku the white guy wins 1 freaking game (against a pud team) and they call it improvement

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2013, 07:07:56 PM »
That's just not true.  Gill was fired after only two years.  KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase.  The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over.  KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.  We will simply keep trying until we get it right.  The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming. 

As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds.  K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone.  You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics.  Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
Please.  The track has been in "currently being addressed" status for about a decade. Firing your coach doesn't show a commitment.  If KU gave a crap, they would've gotten rid of that POS track 10 years ago and actually built the gridiron club.  Instead, they wheeled in a doublewide, put some lazy boys on the piece of crap, and called it good enough.  I understand they built the weightroom thing, but the point still stands.  It wasn't a zero sum game there.

KU kids, by and large, don't care about football and I don't blame them.  It's the same reason Duke kids don't care about football and the same reason Alabama kids don't care about basketball.  Being dominant in a sport has a price.  You have to understand, OS, that being a KU fan who is at all invested in KU football, you're the exception.  KU football is a complete joke to the vast majority of KU fans, and especially within the student body. Sure there are other dudes out there who care about Rock Chalk Saturdays, but then again, i'm sure there are some diehard KU lady indoor track enthusiasts too.  K-State isn't like that.  Ever since the early 90s, K-State fans and the University itself became addicted to the drug of good football.  KU has never been hooked on that drug, and imo, so long as Self keeps winning #xstraight they never will. 

K-State needs football.  KU doesn't.

My dad always says, the best thing for good K-State football is good KU basketball, and I think there's an element of truth to that.


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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2013, 07:14:48 PM »
Hardest thing for KU right now isn't firing a coach, it would be finding a replacement.

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« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2013, 07:18:09 PM »
That's just not true.  Gill was fired after only two years.  KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase.  The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over.  KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.  We will simply keep trying until we get it right.  The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming. 

As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds.  K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone.  You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics.  Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
Please.  The track has been in "currently being addressed" status for about a decade. Firing your coach doesn't show a commitment.  If KU gave a crap, they would've gotten rid of that POS track 10 years ago and actually built the gridiron club.  Instead, they wheeled in a doublewide, put some lazy boys on the piece of crap, and called it good enough.  I understand they built the weightroom thing, but the point still stands.  It wasn't a zero sum game there.

KU kids, by and large, don't care about football and I don't blame them.  It's the same reason Duke kids don't care about football and the same reason Alabama kids don't care about basketball.  Being dominant in a sport has a price.  You have to understand, OS, that being a KU fan who is at all invested in KU football, you're the exception.  KU football is a complete joke to the vast majority of KU fans, and especially within the student body. Sure there are other dudes out there who care about Rock Chalk Saturdays, but then again, i'm sure there are some diehard KU lady indoor track enthusiasts too.  K-State isn't like that.  Ever since the early 90s, K-State fans and the University itself became addicted to the drug of good football.  KU has never been hooked on that drug, and imo, so long as Self keeps winning #xstraight they never will. 

K-State needs football.  KU doesn't.

My dad always says, the best thing for good K-State football is good KU basketball, and I think there's an element of truth to that.



Welp, I completely disagree.  The last time that KU football was really good, we also won the national championship in basketball.  Louisville joined the BCS Bowl/national championship combo club this year as well.  Teams can win in both sports.

You're right in the sense that KU didn't start caring about football until probably 5-10 years ago, when Mangino had things rolling.  The first stage of improvement came with the $34 million football complex, and the next stage was set for the Gridiron Club (which obviously never came to fruition).  KU is currently building a $39 million olympic sports complex, which will allow us to upgrade Memorial Stadium in the near future.  KU hosts the Kansas Relays, so we can't just remove the track right now and throw our other sports programs under the bus.  K-State's stadium wasn't anything to write home about until the recent upgrades that are currently under construction.  You have a completely false and biased sense of what K-State is as a football program.
 
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« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2013, 07:21:03 PM »
Welp, I completely disagree.
Hey that happens sometimes between friends.  You may be right.  I may be right. 

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« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2013, 07:23:16 PM »
That's just not true.  Gill was fired after only two years.  KU fans won't accept poor football any more than any other fanbase.  The days of hoping that Terry Allen can succeed are over.  KU will fire Weis if he doesn't perform next year.  We will simply keep trying until we get it right.  The track issue at the stadium is currently being addressed and the investments for football are coming. 

As for K-State, you don't know what the future holds.  K-State fans thought you guys were on solid footing after Snyder won your last Big 12 title in '03, and within two years, after back-to-back losing seasons, Snyder was gone.  You can hope like hell that one of Snyder's guys picks right up where Bill left off, and you can hope like hell that K-State stays mediocre at worst, but nothing is certain in this day and age of college athletics.  Texas is finding this out the hard way right now.
Please.  The track has been in "currently being addressed" status for about a decade. Firing your coach doesn't show a commitment.  If KU gave a crap, they would've gotten rid of that POS track 10 years ago and actually built the gridiron club.  Instead, they wheeled in a doublewide, put some lazy boys on the piece of crap, and called it good enough.  I understand they built the weightroom thing, but the point still stands.  It wasn't a zero sum game there.

KU kids, by and large, don't care about football and I don't blame them.  It's the same reason Duke kids don't care about football and the same reason Alabama kids don't care about basketball.  Being dominant in a sport has a price.  You have to understand, OS, that being a KU fan who is at all invested in KU football, you're the exception.  KU football is a complete joke to the vast majority of KU fans, and especially within the student body. Sure there are other dudes out there who care about Rock Chalk Saturdays, but then again, i'm sure there are some diehard KU lady indoor track enthusiasts too.  K-State isn't like that.  Ever since the early 90s, K-State fans and the University itself became addicted to the drug of good football.  KU has never been hooked on that drug, and imo, so long as Self keeps winning #xstraight they never will. 

K-State needs football.  KU doesn't.

My dad always says, the best thing for good K-State football is good KU basketball, and I think there's an element of truth to that.



Welp, I completely disagree.  The last time that KU football was really good, we also won the national championship in basketball.  Louisville joined the BCS Bowl/national championship combo club this year as well.  Teams can win in both sports.

You're right in the sense that KU didn't start caring about football until probably 5-10 years ago, when Mangino had things rolling.  The first stage of improvement came with the $34 million football complex, and the next stage was set for the Gridiron Club (which obviously never came to fruition).  KU is currently building a $39 million olympic sports complex, which will allow us to upgrade Memorial Stadium in the near future.  KU hosts the Kansas Relays, so we can't just remove the track right now and throw our other sports programs under the bus.  K-State's stadium wasn't anything to write home about until the recent upgrades that are currently under construction.  You have a completely false and biased sense of what K-State is a football program.
 

Pretty sure you are biased, ku built a football complex because everyone else already had one.  Kstate is building perhaps the nicest press box in the country.  Ku is trying to keep up, kstate is about to lap them

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2013, 07:25:12 PM »
It's not even fair to compare the two programs as they currently exist.  KSU is light years ahead in prestige, success, coaching, fan support and stadium.  KU hasnt won a conf game in two years.  That is just shocking.  To try and compare that to a team that has only lost what, three conf games in two years?

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« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2013, 07:42:27 PM »
It's not even fair to compare the two programs as they currently exist.  KSU is light years ahead in prestige, success, coaching, fan support and stadium.  KU hasnt won a conf game in two years.  That is just shocking.  To try and compare that to a team that has only lost what, three conf games in two years?

We are basically the exact same.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2013, 07:46:28 PM »
Weiss is trying to live off of JUCOS and transfers

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« Reply #94 on: May 21, 2013, 07:49:50 PM »
Weiss is trying to live off of JUCOS and transfers

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« Reply #95 on: May 21, 2013, 07:56:22 PM »
Hardest thing for KU right now isn't firing a coach, it would be finding a replacement.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #96 on: May 21, 2013, 08:01:02 PM »
Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!


Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion.  You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
Beems, your talking points are exhausting. Your butthurt is off the charts. We've already covered the "KU has more talent than K-State" talking point year after year and the results have proven you're a naive dumbass.

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« Reply #97 on: May 21, 2013, 08:01:27 PM »
Beems is correct,  I am  very concerned Chuck will stick with Heaps until they roll in to their Super bowl at  2-9 and then ambush us with Cummings running a run first spread after months of Big 12 passing O's.

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #98 on: May 21, 2013, 08:14:24 PM »
Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!


Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion.  You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
Beems, your talking points are exhausting. Your butthurt is off the charts. We've already covered the "KU has more talent than K-State" talking point year after year and the results have proven you're a naive dumbass.


You don't have enough going on upstairs to rumble with the big boys, which is why over half of your posts get relegated to the Birther Pit. 

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Re: Will old man snyder ever win another bowl game?
« Reply #99 on: May 21, 2013, 08:18:57 PM »
Jesus, we are so far in beems head. "Almost beat TT and Texas"- beams aka Weis is building a rough ridin' monster!


Thanks for offering absolutely nothing to this discussion.  You spend more time talking about me than you do about K-State.
Beems, your talking points are exhausting. Your butthurt is off the charts. We've already covered the "KU has more talent than K-State" talking point year after year and the results have proven you're a naive dumbass.


You don't have enough going on upstairs to rumble with the big boys, which is why over half of your posts get relegated to the Birther Pit.
My posts haven't been sent to the pit for over two years now and that's when I was doing fanning stuff. Your schtick gets old and your butthurt needs a plastic surgeon for repairs. In your mind, it's still 2008.