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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #576 on: September 29, 2021, 12:45:47 PM »
my word.


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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #578 on: October 24, 2021, 09:58:36 PM »
SIAP, any gE’rs from Gove County?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trying-times-a-kansas-community-faced-down-its-fear-of-outsiders-11635004759?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

I hope they're not that way with their beef jerky.  Years back when I roughnecked, I would stop in Grinnell at their meat processing shop and buy the best jerky for miles around.  Probably the best in Kansas!!!  :lick:
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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #581 on: October 25, 2021, 08:35:48 AM »
SIAP, any gE’rs from Gove County?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trying-times-a-kansas-community-faced-down-its-fear-of-outsiders-11635004759?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Can we get a c&p? That's behind a paywall.

Pretty long article so I can’t copy it all from the app but this will give you the general flavor:

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GRINNELL, Kansas—A few weeks into the Covid-19 lockdown, a van with Colorado plates pulled up to the Hometown Grocery & Cafe in Grinnell, a town of 269 people in a county of 2,600. “I’m here to buy all of your toilet paper,” the driver said.

Through the shop window, owner Gwen Wolf could see toilet paper stacked high in the woman’s van. Many of Ms. Wolf’s regulars lived on farms far from the nearest town, and she didn’t like the idea of strangers depriving them of necessities. “I showed her the door,” recalled Ms. Wolf, a Gove County native.

Two more cars from Colorado appeared at her store and word spread fast: Outsiders were pulling off Interstate 70 and snatching up Gove County’s dwindling supply of toilet paper.

“They’re welcome to do what’s best for themselves, but not at our expense,” said Lance “L.T.” Coburn, 23 years old, who runs an automobile-restoration shop with his father.

As disease, racial unrest and political violence spread through the U.S. over the past 19 months, communities around the country found themselves grappling with the sense that the most immediate threat they faced was from other Americans, rather than foreign adversaries.

Police in Colby, Kansas, a town of 5,500 in Thomas County, about 40 miles northwest of Grinnell, received intelligence reports last year from other law-enforcement agencies that Black Lives Matter protesters from Colorado planned demonstrations in Kansas, said Colby Police Chief Ron Alexander. Similar reports reached the Gove County Sheriff’s Office.

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #582 on: October 25, 2021, 09:16:28 AM »
I think I remember that these knobs thought BLM was loading up busses or flying places to invade middle America. 

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #583 on: October 25, 2021, 09:28:02 AM »
Why was that even brought up in that article?
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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #584 on: October 25, 2021, 10:53:07 AM »
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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #585 on: October 25, 2021, 12:27:32 PM »
Why was that even brought up in that article?

Yeah, that snippet seem to be addressing two completely different things. I'm assuming the link and the article is about irrational fear of others?

I promise that if there were in fact someone from Colorado driving down I-70 hoarding T.P. that they weren't from Denver and weren't BLM or Antifa or whatever.

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #586 on: October 25, 2021, 01:04:58 PM »
SIAP, any gE’rs from Gove County?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trying-times-a-kansas-community-faced-down-its-fear-of-outsiders-11635004759?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Can we get a c&p? That's behind a paywall.

If I search for an article by title and click through to it from the search results, I am typically able to view WSJ articles.

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #587 on: October 25, 2021, 01:06:11 PM »
Sometimes I forget that not everyone takes the Journal.

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #588 on: October 25, 2021, 10:10:27 PM »
SIAP, any gE’rs from Gove County?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trying-times-a-kansas-community-faced-down-its-fear-of-outsiders-11635004759?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #589 on: October 26, 2021, 08:33:03 AM »
SIAP, any gE’rs from Gove County?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trying-times-a-kansas-community-faced-down-its-fear-of-outsiders-11635004759?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Can we get a c&p? That's behind a paywall.

Pretty long article so I can’t copy it all from the app but this will give you the general flavor:

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GRINNELL, Kansas—A few weeks into the Covid-19 lockdown, a van with Colorado plates pulled up to the Hometown Grocery & Cafe in Grinnell, a town of 269 people in a county of 2,600. “I’m here to buy all of your toilet paper,” the driver said.

Through the shop window, owner Gwen Wolf could see toilet paper stacked high in the woman’s van. Many of Ms. Wolf’s regulars lived on farms far from the nearest town, and she didn’t like the idea of strangers depriving them of necessities. “I showed her the door,” recalled Ms. Wolf, a Gove County native.

Two more cars from Colorado appeared at her store and word spread fast: Outsiders were pulling off Interstate 70 and snatching up Gove County’s dwindling supply of toilet paper.

“They’re welcome to do what’s best for themselves, but not at our expense,” said Lance “L.T.” Coburn, 23 years old, who runs an automobile-restoration shop with his father.

As disease, racial unrest and political violence spread through the U.S. over the past 19 months, communities around the country found themselves grappling with the sense that the most immediate threat they faced was from other Americans, rather than foreign adversaries.

Police in Colby, Kansas, a town of 5,500 in Thomas County, about 40 miles northwest of Grinnell, received intelligence reports last year from other law-enforcement agencies that Black Lives Matter protesters from Colorado planned demonstrations in Kansas, said Colby Police Chief Ron Alexander. Similar reports reached the Gove County Sheriff’s Office.

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The reports were followed by rumors, inflated in the retelling, of protesters planning to rampage through towns along I-70, fears that proved unfounded.

Callers demanded Chief Alexander take action. “They were worried we were going to end up like Minneapolis or Portland,” he recalled. The chief gave assurances that police wouldn’t tolerate violence.

Mr. Coburn was among the Gove County residents who saw local menace in distant events, and decided to do something about it.

On an early fall evening last year, eight or so people, including Mr. Coburn, decided they needed to act on their own. They held the inaugural meeting of the Gove County Emergency Response Group at a park in Gove City, population 86.

By December, their weekly meetings were drawing dozens of people, some from local volunteer fire departments and emergency services, said Andrew Todd, 30, one of the organizers.

The group’s inception coincided with a cluster of Covid-19 cases that briefly left Gove County with the highest death rate from the pandemic in the U.S. Sheriff Allan Weber, a well-loved figure, died of the disease a week before Christmas. A sheriff’s deputy contracted Covid-19 and so did everyone at the county’s emergency-operations center.


Lance ‘L.T.’ Coburn does auto repair and restoration work with his father in Quinter, Kansas.
Members of the Gove County Emergency Response Group thought that they might be needed to prevent outside agitators from exiting the freeway. “All of the worst stuff comes from I-70, that I know,” said Roger Wilson, 60, manager of a hunting preserve. “You can’t be quite as sure about who you’re dealing with.”

Mr. Coburn said he pictured group members guarding the doors of the local pharmacy to safeguard medicines. Or, they might station themselves at freeway exits, giving out a gallon or two of gasoline to those in need and pointing them down the road.

The group wasn’t a secret, but members didn’t publicize it, either.

A group of women who jokingly called themselves the Enlightened Ladies Club caught wind and were suspicious. They leaned liberal for the most part in conservative Gove County and sometimes dined together to share views. “We were anticipating some sort of vigilante group,” said Patrice Ostmeyer, who works part time at the public library.

Members of the civil-defense group said they saw themselves as reinforcements for local authorities, not as a militia. “We don’t want to be associated with that name, and that’s not what we’re doing,” Mr. Todd said.

Worried about its image, the group went public early this year, posting a mission statement at the Dairy Queen, feed stores and the Pit Stop gas station.

“Gove County Emergency Response Group works to help maintain peace in Gove County,” the flier said. “By educating citizens in our area of preparedness and self-defense; inviting citizens of all backgrounds and races to stand unified against lawlessness in times of disaster and civil unrest; and building strong relationships with law enforcement through cooperative community efforts.”


Gene Tilton grows crops and raises cattle in Quinter, Kansas.
Gene Tilton, 84, whose family arrived in the 1880s, was among those who didn’t think the community needed a self-defense group. “If the need did arise, it wouldn’t take long to rally one,” said Mr. Tilton, who grows crops and raises cattle on 10,000 acres.

Michael Machen, who has practiced medicine in Gove County for 35 years, inhabits the liberal end of the local political spectrum. He attended the wedding of L.T. Coburn’s parents, and he delivered L.T. himself. Dr. Machen hired the Coburns to restore his 1966 Ford Mustang.

“They’re good guys,” Dr. Machen, 67, said of the group members he knows. “That said, we’ve already got an emergency response team here that involves people that are real law enforcement, and emergency preparedness people that are trained to do that.”

Dr. Machen found the group’s concerns overblown. “If someone pulled off the highway and went to Dollar General and there was toilet paper, sure they’re going to buy it,” he said. “But I don’t see that as a threat to our way of life.”

Members of the Emergency Response Group were surprised by the suspicion they aroused. They scheduled a public meeting to explain themselves. One of the guests was Sheriff Shawn Mesch.

He had just been named interim sheriff when news broke of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. That was when he decided to find out more about the self-defense group that had cropped up on his turf.

While visiting Mr. Todd’s father-in-law’s farm to inspect a new pickup truck for registration, Sheriff Mesch accepted an invitation to attend the group’s public meeting.





Tyler Tuttle playing with his daughter Journie in Grainfield, Kansas. Mr. Tuttle said he was approached about joining the Gove County Emergency Response Team.
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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #590 on: October 26, 2021, 08:34:39 AM »
Okay, I think I got most of it. I have full access on the app but not desktop.

SIAP, any gE’rs from Gove County?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trying-times-a-kansas-community-faced-down-its-fear-of-outsiders-11635004759?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Can we get a c&p? That's behind a paywall.

Pretty long article so I can’t copy it all from the app but this will give you the general flavor:

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GRINNELL, Kansas—A few weeks into the Covid-19 lockdown, a van with Colorado plates pulled up to the Hometown Grocery & Cafe in Grinnell, a town of 269 people in a county of 2,600. “I’m here to buy all of your toilet paper,” the driver said.

Through the shop window, owner Gwen Wolf could see toilet paper stacked high in the woman’s van. Many of Ms. Wolf’s regulars lived on farms far from the nearest town, and she didn’t like the idea of strangers depriving them of necessities. “I showed her the door,” recalled Ms. Wolf, a Gove County native.

Two more cars from Colorado appeared at her store and word spread fast: Outsiders were pulling off Interstate 70 and snatching up Gove County’s dwindling supply of toilet paper.

“They’re welcome to do what’s best for themselves, but not at our expense,” said Lance “L.T.” Coburn, 23 years old, who runs an automobile-restoration shop with his father.

As disease, racial unrest and political violence spread through the U.S. over the past 19 months, communities around the country found themselves grappling with the sense that the most immediate threat they faced was from other Americans, rather than foreign adversaries.

Police in Colby, Kansas, a town of 5,500 in Thomas County, about 40 miles northwest of Grinnell, received intelligence reports last year from other law-enforcement agencies that Black Lives Matter protesters from Colorado planned demonstrations in Kansas, said Colby Police Chief Ron Alexander. Similar reports reached the Gove County Sheriff’s Office.

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The reports were followed by rumors, inflated in the retelling, of protesters planning to rampage through towns along I-70, fears that proved unfounded.

Callers demanded Chief Alexander take action. “They were worried we were going to end up like Minneapolis or Portland,” he recalled. The chief gave assurances that police wouldn’t tolerate violence.

Mr. Coburn was among the Gove County residents who saw local menace in distant events, and decided to do something about it.

On an early fall evening last year, eight or so people, including Mr. Coburn, decided they needed to act on their own. They held the inaugural meeting of the Gove County Emergency Response Group at a park in Gove City, population 86.

By December, their weekly meetings were drawing dozens of people, some from local volunteer fire departments and emergency services, said Andrew Todd, 30, one of the organizers.

The group’s inception coincided with a cluster of Covid-19 cases that briefly left Gove County with the highest death rate from the pandemic in the U.S. Sheriff Allan Weber, a well-loved figure, died of the disease a week before Christmas. A sheriff’s deputy contracted Covid-19 and so did everyone at the county’s emergency-operations center.


Members of the Gove County Emergency Response Group thought that they might be needed to prevent outside agitators from exiting the freeway. “All of the worst stuff comes from I-70, that I know,” said Roger Wilson, 60, manager of a hunting preserve. “You can’t be quite as sure about who you’re dealing with.”

Mr. Coburn said he pictured group members guarding the doors of the local pharmacy to safeguard medicines. Or, they might station themselves at freeway exits, giving out a gallon or two of gasoline to those in need and pointing them down the road.

The group wasn’t a secret, but members didn’t publicize it, either.

A group of women who jokingly called themselves the Enlightened Ladies Club caught wind and were suspicious. They leaned liberal for the most part in conservative Gove County and sometimes dined together to share views. “We were anticipating some sort of vigilante group,” said Patrice Ostmeyer, who works part time at the public library.

Members of the civil-defense group said they saw themselves as reinforcements for local authorities, not as a militia. “We don’t want to be associated with that name, and that’s not what we’re doing,” Mr. Todd said.

Worried about its image, the group went public early this year, posting a mission statement at the Dairy Queen, feed stores and the Pit Stop gas station.

“Gove County Emergency Response Group works to help maintain peace in Gove County,” the flier said. “By educating citizens in our area of preparedness and self-defense; inviting citizens of all backgrounds and races to stand unified against lawlessness in times of disaster and civil unrest; and building strong relationships with law enforcement through cooperative community efforts.”

Gene Tilton, 84, whose family arrived in the 1880s, was among those who didn’t think the community needed a self-defense group. “If the need did arise, it wouldn’t take long to rally one,” said Mr. Tilton, who grows crops and raises cattle on 10,000 acres.

Michael Machen, who has practiced medicine in Gove County for 35 years, inhabits the liberal end of the local political spectrum. He attended the wedding of L.T. Coburn’s parents, and he delivered L.T. himself. Dr. Machen hired the Coburns to restore his 1966 Ford Mustang.

“They’re good guys,” Dr. Machen, 67, said of the group members he knows. “That said, we’ve already got an emergency response team here that involves people that are real law enforcement, and emergency preparedness people that are trained to do that.”

Dr. Machen found the group’s concerns overblown. “If someone pulled off the highway and went to Dollar General and there was toilet paper, sure they’re going to buy it,” he said. “But I don’t see that as a threat to our way of life.”

Members of the Emergency Response Group were surprised by the suspicion they aroused. They scheduled a public meeting to explain themselves. One of the guests was Sheriff Shawn Mesch.

He had just been named interim sheriff when news broke of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. That was when he decided to find out more about the self-defense group that had cropped up on his turf.

While visiting Mr. Todd’s father-in-law’s farm to inspect a new pickup truck for registration, Sheriff Mesch accepted an invitation to attend the group’s public meeting.

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On a cold Sunday night in January, some 50 people gathered at Mr. Coburn’s garage in Quinter. To make room, he moved aside his restoration projects—a 1969 Jaguar XKE and a 1955 Ford F-150 pickup.

The meeting opened with a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance. The fire chief gave a talk on fire preparedness. A firearms instructor talked about safe ways to interact with police when pulled over while ferrying a gun in the car.

Mr. Todd asked Sheriff Mesch: “Are we doing anything here that’s illegal?” The sheriff said no. He also made it clear to the gathering that he wouldn’t put up with armed civilians taking the law into their own hands.

“They have the right to assemble like everybody,” Sheriff Mesch said later. “But I wanted to let them know where I stood.”

The sheriff said he saw no looming threat to residents of his county, and certainly didn’t anticipate any trouble his deputies and other trained first responders couldn’t handle. “I appreciate their sentiment, and if they were needed I would ask them,” the sheriff said. “But that’s the only way.”

The sheriff’s rebuff gave the group pause. Over the following months, leaders retooled their message. Instead of emphasizing their willingness to protect the county from urban rioters, members posted Facebook messages offering residents aid in coping with snow, tornadoes, fires and similar hazards.


Gove County Sheriff Shawn Mesch.
During a deep cold spell in February, the group announced that members were on call to assist with frozen pipes or dead car batteries. They sponsored first-aid training and a “Homesteader Gardening Class.” They posted information about treating rattlesnake bites

“We’re here to help people,” Mr. Todd said. “The last thing we want to do is make people uncomfortable.”

Some local skeptics wondered if the group was polishing its image while secretly remaining more militant than members would admit. Others believed that the group’s members sensed their neighbors’ unease and made a sincere decision to shift course.

Don Tilton, Gene Tilton’s 64-year-old son, was concerned when he first spotted the group’s fliers, he said, and attended a meeting at the Coburn garage to scout out its intentions.

“I walked away,” Don Tilton said, “satisfied that we were all trying to help each other and look after each other.”

He hasn’t heard much chatter about the group recently. Gove County, he said, has moved on.

Aaron Zitner contributed to this article.

Write to Michael M. Phillips at [email protected] and Dante Chinni at [email protected]

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #591 on: October 26, 2021, 04:11:09 PM »
actually pretty normal hillbilly stuff there.  I like that the police and neighbors checked them when they wanted to play rambo

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« Reply #592 on: October 26, 2021, 11:30:53 PM »
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« Reply #593 on: October 26, 2021, 11:40:03 PM »
TLDNR
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« Reply #595 on: November 10, 2021, 06:10:38 AM »
Way to go Goddard

https://twitter.com/JeffreyASachs/status/1458259477149462529

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“The Hate U Give” is a young adult novel about the aftermath of a police officer killing a Black teenager. “Black Girl Unlimited” explores issues of poverty, sexual violence, depression and racism. “Blended” is about an 11-year-old biracial girl dealing with her parents’ divorce.

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It also includes “Fences,” a play by August Wilson that won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama in 1987, and “They Called Themselves the K.K.K.,” a historical look at how the white supremacist group took root in America.

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #596 on: November 10, 2021, 03:14:07 PM »
Seems like you could just download it to a kindle or order it from amazon.  Certainly could find an “illegal” pdf online to download as well.  Weird times we live in.
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« Reply #597 on: November 11, 2021, 08:09:31 AM »
Seems like you could just download it to a kindle or order it from amazon.  Certainly could find an “illegal” pdf online to download as well.  Weird times we live in.
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« Reply #598 on: November 11, 2021, 08:29:18 AM »
hopefully it spurs a lot of kids to read these books

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Re: Another Round Of Applause For Kansas
« Reply #599 on: November 11, 2021, 09:58:52 AM »
Seems like you could just download it to a kindle or order it from amazon.  Certainly could find an “illegal” pdf online to download as well.  Weird times we live in.
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If the kids really want to read these books, they are readily available online.  Not that i agree with the removal.
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