kansas says eff you to federal government

[steve dave]

Like, I take that to mean that they couldn't make a state building LEED certified. could you use state funds to purchase a programmable thermostat for a state building? Energy efficient windows? WHAT THE eff, YOU GUYS.

I don't even

[star seed 7]

Like, I take that to mean that they couldn't make a state building LEED certified. could you use state funds to purchase a programmable thermostat for a state building? Energy efficient windows? WHAT THE eff, YOU GUYS.

I don't even

programmable thermostat?  energy efficient windows?

sounds like a bunch of liberal buzzwords to me.

[p1k3]

Like, I take that to mean that they couldn't make a state building LEED certified. could you use state funds to purchase a programmable thermostat for a state building? Energy efficient windows? WHAT THE eff, YOU GUYS.

I don't even

programmable thermostat?  energy efficient windows?

sounds like a bunch of liberal buzzwords to me.

correct

[Rage Against the McKee]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Like, I take that to mean that they couldn't make a state building LEED certified. could you use state funds to purchase a programmable thermostat for a state building? Energy efficient windows? WHAT THE eff, YOU GUYS.

I don't even

programmable thermostat?  energy efficient windows?

sounds like a bunch of liberal buzzwords to me.

correct

Yeah, spending money on things that save money in the long run is socialism. The state should only buy the shittiest, cheapest equipment and buildings no matter what.

[Emo EMAW]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

[Rage Against the McKee]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

Failing to join in just gets projects funded that you can't benefit from.

[michigancat]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

Why on earth would you disagree with programmable thermostats?

[star seed 7]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

Why on earth would you disagree with programmable thermostats?

when i got a new one for my house, the non-programmable was more expensive 

[michigancat]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

Why on earth would you disagree with programmable thermostats?

when i got a new one for my house, the non-programmable was more expensive 

IT'S NON-PROGRAMMABLE FOR YOU, KANSAS. WE DON'T WANT NO "meetin' human needs while preservin' the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come" IN THESE PARTS.

[steve dave]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

Why on earth would you disagree with programmable thermostats?

when i got a new one for my house, the non-programmable was more expensive 

IT'S NON-PROGRAMMABLE FOR YOU, KANSAS. WE DON'T "meet human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come" IN THESE PARTS.

 

[star seed 7]

People hate pork unless you're the one eating it, I guess.

Federal pork will be spent regardless of what Kansas does. We can either compete for it or let our tax dollars go to use in other states.

"Hey look!  Them folks are doing something I disagree with but might-could benefit from!  Might as well join in!"   

Why on earth would you disagree with programmable thermostats?

when i got a new one for my house, the non-programmable was more expensive 

IT'S NON-PROGRAMMABLE FOR YOU, KANSAS. WE DON'T "meet human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come" IN THESE PARTS.

most commercial buildings already have HVAC controls similar to a programmable thermostat, so the thermostats is probably a bad thing to harp on.

8manpick can give more details.

[michigancat]

most commercial buildings already have HVAC controls similar to a programmable thermostat, so the thermostats is probably a bad thing to harp on.

8manpick can give more details.

Yeah, not really the point. They are saying they are explicitly opposed to the idea of something like programmable thermostats. It's not the actual execution, it's the intent of this bill that is unbelievably stupid.

[steve dave]

most commercial buildings already have HVAC controls similar to a programmable thermostat, so the thermostats is probably a bad thing to harp on.

8manpick can give more details.

Yeah, not really the point. They are saying they are explicitly opposed to the idea of something like programmable thermostats. It's not the actual execution, it's the intent of this bill that is unbelievably stupid.

I'm sure the actual execution would be unbelievably stupid as well

[michigancat]

And I really hope I'm interpreting this wrong, and the State of Kansas isn't explicitly banning things like the purchase of a more fuel-efficient state auto fleet or Leed certification on buildings or recycling programs in state offices.

[star seed 7]

i just wanted to give 8manpick a shout-out 

[Rage Against the McKee]

And I really hope I'm interpreting this wrong, and the State of Kansas isn't explicitly banning things like the purchase of a more fuel-efficient state auto fleet or Leed certification on buildings or recycling programs in state offices.

Well, you are just interpreting an abbreviation of the bill from the article. If you read the actual language on the bill, it's far worse than you are assuming. This would make it illegal for the state to even promote sustainability over the radio or through fliers, or to participate in a federal grant program promoting sustainability.

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2366_00_0000.pdf

It's very extreme in its language.

[ChiComCat]

I don't think you guys are seeing both sides of this sustainably bill.

[michigancat]

I don't think you guys are seeing both sides of this sustainably bill.

perhaps you're right.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Wow, it must be lawyer take your daughter to work day.  Nice work the pit posters

:slow clap:

[8manpick]

i just wanted to give 8manpick a shout-out 

Thanks seven! But yeah, there are tons of government buildings that don't have programmable stats (or they aren't being used appropriately) or other HVAC controls. Commercial buildings are a bit better, because they seem to care a bit more about the bottom line, but not nearly as good as you would expect. I haven't read the article linked here yet, but the idea that Kansas would want to defund ESPCs as suggested by recent posts in this thread, is pretty ignorant and short-sighted.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i just wanted to give 8manpick a shout-out 

Thanks seven! But yeah, there are tons of government buildings that don't have programmable stats (or they aren't being used appropriately) or other HVAC controls. Commercial buildings are a bit better, because they seem to care a bit more about the bottom line, but not nearly as good as you would expect. I haven't read the article linked here yet, but the idea that Kansas would want to defund ESPCs as suggested by recent posts in this thread, is pretty ignorant and short-sighted.

I don't think Kansas really wants to do that. This is just discussion of some horrible bill that didn't make it to the floor this legislative session that would basically make it illegal for Kansas to do or speak about anything improving sustainability.

[8manpick]

i just wanted to give 8manpick a shout-out 

Thanks seven! But yeah, there are tons of government buildings that don't have programmable stats (or they aren't being used appropriately) or other HVAC controls. Commercial buildings are a bit better, because they seem to care a bit more about the bottom line, but not nearly as good as you would expect. I haven't read the article linked here yet, but the idea that Kansas would want to defund ESPCs as suggested by recent posts in this thread, is pretty ignorant and short-sighted.

I don't think Kansas really wants to do that. This is just discussion of some horrible bill that didn't make it to the floor this legislative session that would basically make it illegal for Kansas to do or speak about anything improving sustainability.

Sounds kansas-y

[ednksu]

i just wanted to give 8manpick a shout-out 

Thanks seven! But yeah, there are tons of government buildings that don't have programmable stats (or they aren't being used appropriately) or other HVAC controls. Commercial buildings are a bit better, because they seem to care a bit more about the bottom line, but not nearly as good as you would expect. I haven't read the article linked here yet, but the idea that Kansas would want to defund ESPCs as suggested by recent posts in this thread, is pretty ignorant and short-sighted.

I don't think Kansas really wants to do that. This is just discussion of some horrible bill that didn't make it to the floor this legislative session that would basically make it illegal for Kansas to do or speak about anything improving sustainability.

please interact with more KS legislatures, your opinion will change.



Also all HVAC controls should be run by a hyper elite NEST thermostat.

[CNS]

Like, I take that to mean that they couldn't make a state building LEED certified. could you use state funds to purchase a programmable thermostat for a state building? Energy efficient windows? WHAT THE eff, YOU GUYS.

I don't even

programmable thermostat?  energy efficient windows?

sounds like a bunch of liberal buzzwords to me.

correct

You realize that is ignorant, right?