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Quote from: HeinBallz on April 01, 2013, 09:29:28 PMSo... I'm confused. Is free will arguing for a God, or against? And a serious question I posed earlier; how do you define god? A mystic intelligent creator as described in the Bible that created you specifically and knew you personally before you were born? Or a power we cannot comprehend that did nothing more than ignite a Big Bang sending the waves of energy that could only, by sheer statistical reason, create some form of life through the infinite possibilities from the infinite amounts of matter, possibly on the level of spitting in a Petri dish? And all existence of a soul could be attributed simply to basic laws of conservation of energy... My personal opinion is that people put way too much effort into the philosophy behind it, and I crossed the line into atheism when I tried to figure out why people felt the psychological need to believe in God.Why would we invent a non-corporeal God? There's a ton of reasons. It's metaphysical putty that you can use to fix all kinds of things wrong in your life. You can use it to fix a marriage. You can use it to find strength when you need to dig deeper. You can use it to convince other people to do what you want. You can use it to get people to give you money. The list goes on and on.Anyway, people get all philosophical about it and try to really reason around it, but I think the psychology of "why" is much more damning than the philosophy of "why".
So... I'm confused. Is free will arguing for a God, or against? And a serious question I posed earlier; how do you define god? A mystic intelligent creator as described in the Bible that created you specifically and knew you personally before you were born? Or a power we cannot comprehend that did nothing more than ignite a Big Bang sending the waves of energy that could only, by sheer statistical reason, create some form of life through the infinite possibilities from the infinite amounts of matter, possibly on the level of spitting in a Petri dish? And all existence of a soul could be attributed simply to basic laws of conservation of energy...
It may have been April 1st yesterday, but televangelist Pat Robertson wasn't kidding when he told a viewer that Americans aren't experiencing God's miracles because they are too "sophisticated."Why do miracles "happen with great frequency in Africa, and not here in the USA?" asked a 700 Club patron Ken. "People overseas didn't go to Ivy League schools," Robertson replied with a chuckle."We are so sophisticated, we think we've got everything figured out," the Christian Broadcasting Network chairman continued. "We know about evolution, we know about Darwin, we know about all these things that says God isn't real, we know about all this stuff."According to Robertson, it's the "skepticism and secularism" that is being taught at "the most advanced schools" around the country that is keeping God's miracles at bay.Meanwhile, Africans are "simple" and "humble." "You tell ‘em God loves ‘em and they say, ‘Okay, he loves me'," said Robertson. "You say God will do miracles and they say, ‘Okay, we believe him'."If Americans wish to experience more miracle, Robertson concluded, they must reject their miracle-negating sophistication in favor of the more credulous African way of life.
I don't think God can exist if we know whether or not He does exist.
What do you think the checklist is for hell? Like I think if you're a cold blooded murderer, you're done for. However, what if you've slayed a lot of fillies, but are really nice in everyday life? Just curious, my friend wanted to know.
Relax wc, no one goes to hell. What a childish idea.
THEY DO EXIST!
I don't know how to ask this without sounding condescending, but I'd honestly like to ask how atheists think the universe was created.
Quote from: Jakesie60 on April 02, 2013, 04:50:58 PMI don't know how to ask this without sounding condescending, but I'd honestly like to ask how atheists think the universe was created.I'd ask religious types how God was created
Quote from: steve dave on April 02, 2013, 04:53:22 PMQuote from: Jakesie60 on April 02, 2013, 04:50:58 PMI don't know how to ask this without sounding condescending, but I'd honestly like to ask how atheists think the universe was created.I'd ask religious types how God was createdIf God exists I doubt he is bound by space and time like the universe is.
Quote from: Jakesie60 on April 02, 2013, 04:54:29 PMQuote from: steve dave on April 02, 2013, 04:53:22 PMQuote from: Jakesie60 on April 02, 2013, 04:50:58 PMI don't know how to ask this without sounding condescending, but I'd honestly like to ask how atheists think the universe was created.I'd ask religious types how God was createdIf God exists I doubt he is bound by space and time like the universe is.Science is an ever expanding and evolving knowledge base. Is the question you posed suggesting because we don't know the answer right now with absolute certainty at this point in human history that god must therefore exist? That seems awfully simplistic and shortsighted. It's the selfsame as saying the earth was flat until it was proven that it wasn't. What we know now has increased by leaps and bounds just in the past few centuries. Just think what we might discover in the next few.
Quote from: Mr Bread on April 02, 2013, 05:01:51 PMQuote from: Jakesie60 on April 02, 2013, 04:54:29 PMQuote from: steve dave on April 02, 2013, 04:53:22 PMQuote from: Jakesie60 on April 02, 2013, 04:50:58 PMI don't know how to ask this without sounding condescending, but I'd honestly like to ask how atheists think the universe was created.I'd ask religious types how God was createdIf God exists I doubt he is bound by space and time like the universe is.Science is an ever expanding and evolving knowledge base. Is the question you posed suggesting because we don't know the answer right now with absolute certainty at this point in human history that god must therefore exist? That seems awfully simplistic and shortsighted. It's the selfsame as saying the earth was flat until it was proven that it wasn't. What we know now has increased by leaps and bounds just in the past few centuries. Just think what we might discover in the next few. I was asking because I didn't know if there were theories/hypotheses out there yet. Please tell me where I said "science may figure it out some day, but it may not" was not an acceptable answer.
