Author Topic: Let's talk about the Big 12 (Read 17285 times)

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #100 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:14:38 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 31, 2013, 05:05:35 PM

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 03:50:39 PM
Lol. Sure thing, bruh

aren't you supposed to be a lawyer? even if you aren't any good at it, you should at least know this.

That's why I'm laughing at you.

sys · « **Reply #101 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:19:50 PM »

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 05:14:38 PM

Quote from: sys on March 31, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
aren't you supposed to be a lawyer? even if you aren't any good at it, you should at least know this.

That's why I'm laughing at you.

because you're a bad lawyer? or just a dishonest poster?

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #102 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:22:32 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 31, 2013, 05:19:50 PM

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 05:14:38 PM
Quote from: sys on March 31, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
aren't you supposed to be a lawyer? even if you aren't any good at it, you should at least know this.

That's why I'm laughing at you.

because you're a bad lawyer? or just a dishonest poster?

Because you don't know crap about the law, but think you do.

GoodForAnother · « **Reply #103 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:34:10 PM »

I know stuff about the law. For one, don't break it.

sys · « **Reply #104 on:** March 31, 2013, 05:37:14 PM »

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 05:22:32 PM

Because you don't know crap about the law, but think you do.

i don't know a great deal about the law, but i do know this. it's rough ridin' basic.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #105 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:20:38 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 31, 2013, 05:37:14 PM

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
Because you don't know crap about the law, but think you do.

i don't know a great deal about the law, but i do know this. it's rough ridin' basic.

It's basic that signed waiver is frequently not enforceable? I guess if frequently means "under certain rare circumstances" but no one would think that means "frequently"

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #106 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:23:16 PM »

SYS getting clown suited, what's new?

sys · « **Reply #107 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:29:38 PM »

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 06:20:38 PM

It's basic that signed waiver is frequently not enforceable? I guess if frequently means "under certain rare circumstances" but no one would think that means "frequently"

so your whole song and dance is about the word choice "frequently"? fine, replace frequently with "in a number of circumstances".

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #108 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:43:47 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 31, 2013, 06:29:38 PM

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 06:20:38 PM
It's basic that signed waiver is frequently not enforceable? I guess if frequently means "under certain rare circumstances" but no one would think that means "frequently"

so your whole song and dance is about the word choice "frequently"? fine, replace frequently with "in a number of circumstances".

Tremendous back pedal.

Yes, once in awhile a signed document will be unenforceable. Fraud, duress, etc. not likely to apply when an athlete knowingly waives liability against the school for playing what he knows is a dangerous sport. Hasn't happened yet to my knowledge.

OregonSmock · « **Reply #109 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:56:04 PM »

"Contracts were made to be broken."

(pretty sure I learned this in 5th grade)

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #110 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:05:02 PM »

Quote from: OregonSmock on March 31, 2013, 06:56:04 PM

"Contracts were made to be broken."

(pretty sure I learned this in 5th grade)

sys · « **Reply #111 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:36:38 PM »

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 06:43:47 PM

Tremendous back pedal.

not at all, you ascribed meaning to my post that was not intended. a reasonable reading of my post would have considered that i did not access to the proportion of contracts which were unenforcable due to one circumstance or another. and thus, it would be likely that i was not attempting to describe a value (even a relative value) of that proportion, but rather express that there are ample different reasons by which a contract might be unenforceable.

that'd be a non butthurt reading.

Quote from: Limestone on March 31, 2013, 06:43:47 PM

Fraud, duress, etc., not likely to apply when an athlete knowingly waives liability against the school for playing what he knows is a dangerous sport. Hasn't happened yet to my knowledge.

well, there are lawsuits springing up all over around the issue, so i think we're going to find out before too long.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #112 on:** March 31, 2013, 08:04:49 PM »

Lol, ok

kso_FAN · « **Reply #113 on:** April 01, 2013, 02:12:55 PM »

Huggs is Huggsing a lot of guys.

Jeff Goodman ?@GoodmanCBS 4m
Bob Huggins starting to clean house a bit. Three guys transferring from West Va. -- Aaron Brown, Volodymyr Gerun and Jabarie Hinds.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #114 on:** April 01, 2013, 02:14:31 PM »

the Master

EMAWzified · « **Reply #115 on:** April 01, 2013, 02:33:49 PM »

The Big 12, final home of those found wanting in the big 10.

Havs · « **Reply #116 on:** April 03, 2013, 11:26:45 PM »

Quote from: EMAWzified on April 01, 2013, 02:33:49 PM

The Big 12, final home of those found wanting in the big 10.

Iowa State and West Virginia for sure.

owl borland · « **Reply #117 on:** April 09, 2013, 10:26:01 AM »

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball

Looks like Jason King thinks we'll be at least top 4 in Big 12 next year...With the league being even weaker next season, i like our chances to compete to repeat.

michigancat · « **Reply #118 on:** April 09, 2013, 10:45:35 AM »

Adding to beems's thoughts about football's growth maybe peaking, the NCAA tournament may have international growth opportunity while football probably won't. People play basketball all over the world, while youth football is basically played in Florida, Texas, and American suburbs. The NBA is doing a pretty good job overseas, and it would be interesting if ncaa basketball could somehow sell itself overseas as the "future stars" of the Asian and European leagues. I'm sure they've tried, but still.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #119 on:** April 09, 2013, 12:38:21 PM »

Quote from: owl borland on April 09, 2013, 10:26:01 AM

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball

Looks like Jason King thinks we'll be at least top 4 in Big 12 next year...With the league being even weaker next season, i like our chances to compete to repeat.

Putting Baylor in the top 25 is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. This reminds me that I was going to research the last NIT champion to lose their leading scorer and then finish the next season in the top 25.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #120 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:20:14 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 09, 2013, 12:38:21 PM

Quote from: owl borland on April 09, 2013, 10:26:01 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball

Looks like Jason King thinks we'll be at least top 4 in Big 12 next year...With the league being even weaker next season, i like our chances to compete to repeat.

Putting Baylor in the top 25 is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. This reminds me that I was going to research the last NIT champion to lose their leading scorer and then finish the next season in the top 25.

I stopped looking at the 2000 season because its way too time consuming for me to do this, when ESPN has paid researchers for such things. There were only 3 NIT Champions since 2000 that finished the next season ranked; 2011 Wichita State, 2002 Memphis, and 2000 Wake Forest. Of those 3 only 2011 Wichita State lost their leading scorer and that was JT Durley who averaged a whopping 11 PPG. Given history, it's a long shot for Baylor or any other NIT Champion to finish in the top 25 the next season, seems nearly impossible when losing a player who led not just the team, but the conference in the following
Points
Assists
Free Throw Attempts
Free Throw Makes
Three Point Attempts
Three Point Makes
Field Goal Attempts
Field Goal Makes
Minutes

We haven't even talked about the possibility of losing Austin and or Jefferson to the NBA.

sys · « **Reply #121 on:** April 09, 2013, 09:31:20 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on April 09, 2013, 10:45:35 AM

The NBA is doing a pretty good job overseas, and it would be interesting if ncaa basketball could somehow sell itself overseas as the "future stars" of the Asian and European leagues. I'm sure they've tried, but still.

people in other countries have little to no idea that ncaa bball exists. universities don't play sports, at least not high-level sports, in most other countries so the idea isn't intuitive. i've tried to explain my interest in american collegiate athletics to foreigners and they look at me like i'm a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

michigancat · « **Reply #122 on:** April 10, 2013, 12:07:09 AM »

Quote from: sys on April 09, 2013, 09:31:20 PM

Quote from: michigancat on April 09, 2013, 10:45:35 AM
The NBA is doing a pretty good job overseas, and it would be interesting if ncaa basketball could somehow sell itself overseas as the "future stars" of the Asian and European leagues. I'm sure they've tried, but still.

people in other countries have little to no idea that ncaa bball exists. universities don't play sports, at least not high-level sports, in most other countries so the idea isn't intuitive. i've tried to explain my interest in american collegiate athletics to foreigners and they look at me like i'm a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

well, maybe someday.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #123 on:** April 10, 2013, 12:08:23 AM »

I would think March Madness would be very easy for people overseas to catch onto. The NCAA just needs to do a better job making their presence felt.

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #124 on:** April 10, 2013, 12:10:12 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 09, 2013, 01:20:14 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 09, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: owl borland on April 09, 2013, 10:26:01 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9147684/very-early-top-25-2013-14-season-ncaa-men-college-basketball

Looks like Jason King thinks we'll be at least top 4 in Big 12 next year...With the league being even weaker next season, i like our chances to compete to repeat.

Putting Baylor in the top 25 is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. This reminds me that I was going to research the last NIT champion to lose their leading scorer and then finish the next season in the top 25.

I stopped looking at the 2000 season because its way too time consuming for me to do this, when ESPN has paid researchers for such things. There were only 3 NIT Champions since 2000 that finished the next season ranked; 2011 Wichita State, 2002 Memphis, and 2000 Wake Forest. Of those 3 only 2011 Wichita State lost their leading scorer and that was JT Durley who averaged a whopping 11 PPG. Given history, it's a long shot for Baylor or any other NIT Champion to finish in the top 25 the next season, seems nearly impossible when losing a player who led not just the team, but the conference in the following
Points
Assists
Free Throw Attempts
Free Throw Makes
Three Point Attempts
Three Point Makes
Field Goal Attempts
Field Goal Makes
Minutes

We haven't even talked about the possibility of losing Austin and or Jefferson to the NBA.

Looking at only NIT champions is a pretty small sample size. NIT champs is also pretty meaningless, nobody cares about those games, so I'm positive there have been some pretty shitty teams win the whole damn thing. I'm sure there have been plenty of NIT participants who have ended the next year in the rankings. Too lazy to look it up.