Post game interviews

[catzacker]

Angel being an important, very good player for KSU and Angel having a bad game against LaSalle can both be stated without one making the other false.  JFC.

I suppose if you're arguing that Angel isn't a very good player you'd have to (a) name his replacement that would be better that's on the roster, (b) try to somehow break the stats that say that Soph Angel is as good if not better than Soph Pullen, and (c) pull your head out of your ass.

[kso_FAN]

(b) try to somehow break the stats that say that Soph Angel is as good if not better than Soph Pullen,

These are the situations where statsheet is the best:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez

[Stevesie60]

(b) try to somehow break the stats that say that Soph Angel is as good if not better than Soph Pullen,

These are the situations where statsheet is the best:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez

Wait, are you trying to confirm zacker's point or argue against it?

[kso_FAN]

(b) try to somehow break the stats that say that Soph Angel is as good if not better than Soph Pullen,

These are the situations where statsheet is the best:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez

Wait, are you trying to confirm zacker's point or argue against it?

I simply provided a resource.*

*Very similar, with assists Angel may get the slight nod.

[CHONGS]

(b) try to somehow break the stats that say that Soph Angel is as good if not better than Soph Pullen,

These are the situations where statsheet is the best:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez

Wait, are you trying to confirm zacker's point or argue against it?

I simply provided a resource.*

*Very similar, with assists Angel may get the slight nod.

and thats with angel playing a slower pace

[SwiftCat]

Very similar with Angel being much better at Assists and limiting turnovers. I'd take sophomore Angel over sophomore Jake if I had to choose one.

[catzacker]

(b) try to somehow break the stats that say that Soph Angel is as good if not better than Soph Pullen,

These are the situations where statsheet is the best:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jacob-pullen&i=1&jacob-pullen=2008-2009&p1=angel-rodriguez

Wait, are you trying to confirm zacker's point or argue against it?

I simply provided a resource.*

*Very similar, with assists Angel may get the slight nod.

they are very similar.  I think Angel's ceiling is lower than Jake's however, due to physical differences (mainly height and length) but also I think Jake got has/had a better shot and got it off quicker. 

[MakeItRain]

If I talked about how stupid many posts in this thread are would I be guilty of secretly drive-by attacking a poster? I mean the dye was cast when the first 10 posts were by the same dude.

edn telling Chingon that his calling Jake a pussy was later justified was the high(low)light for me.

[CHONGS]

                                                                                                                                                                                   

		Ht	Wt	Yr	G	%Min	ORtg	%Poss	%Shots	eFG%	TS%	OR%	DR%	ARate	TORate	Blk%	Stl%	FC/40	FD/40	FTRate	FTM-FTA	Pct	2PM-2PA	Pct	3PM-3PA	Pct
2009	Kansas St. National Rank	6-0	200	So	34	74.7	101.7	24.9 355	26.2 328	47.3	51.0	2.6	7.7	21.4 370	22.0	0.2	3.0 251	2.9	4.3	31.0	91-125	.728	78-179	.436	75-224	.335
2013	Kansas St. 4 National Rank	5-11	180	So	33	66.4	107.4	25.8 266	24.0	44.7	50.6	2.2	6.7	37.3 24	20.4	0.0	3.4 166	3.0	4.1	34.2	90-109	.826	60-159	.377	55-160	.344

Jake on top
Angel on bottom

[Stevesie60]

If Angel can start making more lay-ups or develop a mid range floater, holy hell.

[ednksu]

If I talked about how stupid many posts in this thread are would I be guilty of secretly drive-by attacking a poster? I mean the dye was cast when the first 10 posts were by the same dude.

edn telling Chingon that his calling Jake a pussy was later justified was the high(low)light for me.

Same talking points over and over again from teampseudo.  Get over yourselves.  And no it wouldn't be a drive by because I'm here.  Maybe you can threaten real world violence again over message board banter you tuck.

[Cartierfor3]

Statsheet

                        Angel      Jake
Current Age     N/A        23

[Powercat Posse]

Will was fine as a role player for a decent stretgh before he got hurt. The problem was it was limited mainly to the month of February, before and after that he wasn't very good.

The 13 games prior to the Baylor game (the game where Will left early and barely played) he was shooting around 44% from 3pt and about 60-61% eFG.      As FAN said, that is a good enough production for a role player.   I know a lot of people wanted his minutes reduced all year, but acting like he should play 10 minutes or not even at all is dumb.    Omari was not ready to be a part of the 8 man rotation and that is would have played if you eliminate Will

As far as Angel goes.   He was 1 of the top 7 players IMO in the Big 12 as a soph.   He had a very tough day on offense.  0 FGs, 4/3 asst/TO ratio, huge miss on front end of 1 and 1.   It is what it is.    The unfortunate part is his off day on offense was matched with an off day from Rod as well.    Only game the last 2.5 months were both had subpar games on offense was at OU.    We someone grinded that game out.  Friday we didnt make the plays in crunch time 

   

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's just tough for me to accept the starting SG being nothing but a role player. If Will is going to start at the 2, I want him to average double digits, especially when the 1 is as great at distributing the ball as Angel is.

[Rage Against the McKee]

How so?  You're saying Will as a replacement to Angel.

And yes Tay had a bad game.  Yes Rod was off, being -2.6 points off his average.  But we don't rely on Tay for points at a 5.1 (-3.1 for the game) avg versus missing out on 9.4 pts from Angel.  See this is the paradigm which is so concerning.  If you're hardcore team Angel it was everyone else's fault, Angel can do no wrong.  I wonder how many people who are hardcore team Angel also trashed Cassell all year in the NFL threads. 

I meant take Will off the team (with no replacement) or take Angel off the team. W/out Angel this team is not a tournament team; without Will it is.

Cassell is an awful comparison to Angel simply because he's a game manager at QB, and Angel is far from a game manager.

But to your point, Angel's offensive rating of 44 from the game (his lowest of the season) in 36 minutes of play definitely shows that he struggled. But I won't concede it was a game where he hurt us more than he helped us. You could maybe say he kept both teams in the game, but as much as he hurt us, he helped us even more in the 2nd half comeback. If anything, it was disappointing he only put up 4 shots and only 2 threes; him hitting 3s when opponents played off of him on ball screens was a big reason this team won as many games as it did.

Well, the way the game went, I wasn't really disappointed with Angel's lack of shot attempts. There was absolutely no answer for JO on La Salle's roster, and we should have been trying to target that all day. I was more disappointed in some of the poor passes Angel threw, because he really is much better than that.

[Stevesie60]

Both good posts by Nuts Kicked. I'm also frustrated that Will has been starting for us for 3 years and this is all the better he is.

[Skipper44]

 maybe  he  doesn't  work  hard?   oscar  thinks  he  has  chicken  legs  after all. 

[8manpick]

So that statsheet link indicates that Angel is a better 3pt shooter and is better at drawing fouls than number 0 was. Will take.

[Powercat Posse]

It's just tough for me to accept the starting SG being nothing but a role player. If Will is going to start at the 2, I want him to average double digits, especially when the 1 is as great at distributing the ball as Angel is.

I would too, but Tay just like Will was not a great scorer.    The nice thing is they both hit 3s and had a nice eFG%. In conf play the combined 43.4% from 3 and 55.5% eFG was nice.  But yes, having a true scoring option at the 2 would be much more ideal

Hoping Foster can adjust quickly to big time college ball and give us a possible scoring threat off of the bench.   That and Omari needs to shoot countless 3s in the offseason.    Shane developed himself into a nice weapon from 3.  Omari needs to take note, cause the oppurtunity to shoot 3s with this offense will be there again next year.     

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, Tay would be disappointing to have to start at the 2 as well, but at least he is better than Will.

[PowercatPat]

If Angel can start making more lay-ups or develop a mid range floater, holy hell.

I honestly don't think I've seen Angel ever make a mid range shot. All 3's and layups.

[Skipper44]

I  have  an  unrealistic hope Omari  will be able to drive on the small guys and hit threes on the bigger ones on his way to 8 or 9 ppg  next year. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

If Angel can start making more lay-ups or develop a mid range floater, holy hell.

I honestly don't think I've seen Angel ever make a mid range shot. All 3's and layups.

That has a lot more to do with good shot selection than ability, imo. I don't think anybody should ever shoot a mid-range jumper unless the shot clock is about to expire or something.

[Powercat Posse]

If Angel can start making more lay-ups or develop a mid range floater, holy hell.

I honestly don't think I've seen Angel ever make a mid range shot. All 3's and layups.

That has a lot more to do with good shot selection than ability, imo. I don't think anybody should ever shoot a mid-range jumper unless the shot clock is about to expire or something.

I think it depends on the player.   For us Nino has a nice 13-15 jumper.   If he is open I am fine if he shoots it.   Osby for OU could hit  the same 13-15 foot jumper.  Curtis Kelly had a nice shot from the elbow

Angel doesnt have a quick jumpshot nor does he jump high  or keep the ball way above his head when he shoots.   Thus it is difficult for him to pull up for a 15 footer.   Tay on the other hand, had the ability to go off the dribble, elevate and shoot a 15 foot jumpshot. 

[slucat]

JFC,
1. Angel is awesome, he had a bad day.
2. Tay should have gotten more of Will's minutes all season, Tay would have been better in a more consistent roll-drop Will's minutes, put in Tay, better D and better O.
3. What mumped us Friday was poor coaching, should have kept driving, what got us back in the game. Clearly LaSalle focused on our motion offense, we made adjustments at half, changed our O, and came roaring back, then we dropped back into motion and like other have said let them take the game away.