Monsanto: A Great American Company

[slobber]

Gene insertion is what we are discussing with regards to RR. With base genetics, that is cross pollinating, but can also be insertion.

Did you know it is illegal to buy hybrid roses and then propagate and sell them?

[steve dave]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

[steve dave]

because I have a million dollar idea if so (grey and white cat with powercat colorations bred in)

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

[pissclams]

farmer's fault for using the mansanto seeds in the first place, and by the way, i've asked this a million times but who eats soybeans anyway?   

wheat?  check.
corn?  love it.
peas?  sometimes.
potatoes?  always.
carrots?  if i'm drunk at dinner and find one on my plate.
lettuce?  yup.
cucumber?  maybe one slice per year in a drink.
peppers?  yup.
onion? yes please.
tomatoes?  in salsa and ketchup and pizza sauce.

soybeans?  i have never seen them one time on a menu.

/thread

Doesn't elite diner pissclams like to get some edamame at Kona? 

kona sucks

they have a few good appetizers.  be cool man.

no they don't.  unless you're a poors. 

[slobber]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

[HELLHAMMER]

Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available.  Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.

Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically.  But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon.  A vicious circle unfortunately.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.

[slobber]

Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available.  Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.

Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically.  But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon.  A vicious circle unfortunately.

Liberty Link soybeans have been available for a few years. MGI tolerant soybeans are being developed and will hit the market in the next 5 years are so. There is a great deal of innovation in agriculture, largely due to the opportunity to make money and the ground breaking changes that Monsanto began in the 1990's. We need to feed a large and growing population with limited natural resources. Monsanto is one of the companies that will make it possible.

[slobber]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the idea that improved varieties and chemicals from Monsanto are going to end world hunger is laughable. We are going to continue to lose growing acres and non-renewable water.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.

In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?

[steve dave]

Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available.  Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.

Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically.  But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon.  A vicious circle unfortunately.

yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.

[slobber]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.

In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?

He will have to sell them to Chinese restaurants for food!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available.  Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.

Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically.  But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon.  A vicious circle unfortunately.

yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.

I agree. Why can't farmers just hire illegal immigrants to pick the weeds out of their fields? That seems a whole lot better for everyone.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.

In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?

He will have to sell them to Chinese restaurants for food!

They are just clones, anyway. They don't even have souls.

[slobber]

I think the idea that improved varieties and chemicals from Monsanto are going to end world hunger is laughable. We are going to continue to lose growing acres and non-renewable water.

Drought tolerance genes. Yield enhancement genes. Nitrogen efficiency genes. These are real things that will all likely be available by the end of this decade. Use your imagination, that is what companies like Monsanto are doing. Also, Monsanto is not working on improved chemicals, other companies are.

As to the laughable part, are you suggesting that companies like Monsanto are not responsible for this:

I get that you don't like Monsanto. I don't love them, but they are a great American company and the technology that they have developed in agriculture will help to feed a growing world.

What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?

[HELLHAMMER]

Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available.  Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.

Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically.  But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon.  A vicious circle unfortunately.

Liberty Link soybeans have been available for a few years. MGI tolerant soybeans are being developed and will hit the market in the next 5 years are so. There is a great deal of innovation in agriculture, largely due to the opportunity to make money and the ground breaking changes that Monsanto began in the 1990's. We need to feed a large and growing population with limited natural resources. Monsanto is one of the companies that will make it possible.

I agree completely!  Monsanto puts their money where their mouth is.  That always can't be said for DuPont.

[steve dave]

What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?

I think your argument was really good until here

[slobber]

What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?

I think your argument was really good until here

Is it because I said "world" instead of "population"? Otherwise, you have lost me.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Drought tolerance genes. Yield enhancement genes. Nitrogen efficiency genes. These are real things that will all likely be available by the end of this decade. Use your imagination, that is what companies like Monsanto are doing. Also, Monsanto is not working on improved chemicals, other companies are.

As to the laughable part, are you suggesting that companies like Monsanto are not responsible for this:

I get that you don't like Monsanto. I don't love them, but they are a great American company and the technology that they have developed in agriculture will help to feed a growing world.

What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?

Didn't Monsanto invent DDT and Roundup? I know they own and sell Roundup.

Of course Monsanto has helped improve agricultural production. The reality is that there are going to be less acres in production moving forward, though, and overall agricultural production is going to decline regardless of what Monsanto does. If we can't solve world hunger today, we certainly aren't going to solve it in the future with fewer resources.

[jtksu]

What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?

I think your argument was really good until here

Monsanto should hire ol Dobs to respond to all the requests for interviews they otherwise decline. Hey Dobber, if you love Monsanto so much, why don't you gay marry it? (Also, Monsanto gives ISU a crap load of money so they're clearly pretty stupid.)

[slobber]

Yes, Monsanto did invent several chemicals. They just aren't working on them any more. Their R&D $ are invested in seeds and traits.

EDIT: When I say "working on them", I mean that they are not developing new chemicals. They do try to develop new delivery methods for glyphosate.

[michigancat]

Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?

I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.

Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.

The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.

In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?

Dog Breeders already have spay/neuter contracts in place, which is basically the same as the agreement farmers that purchase Roundup ready seed sign. If you don't want to sign you can buy somewhere else.

[michigancat]

Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available.  Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.

Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically.  But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon.  A vicious circle unfortunately.

yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.

Disagree, I think the future is going to be pretty baller.