Rank the wildcat teams 07-13

[Cartierfor3]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to. I wouldn't count on anything consistent from 2008. On the other hand 2011 lost to a pud Colorado losery team 3 times so there's that.

[gatoveintisiete]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to. I wouldn't count on anything consistent from 2008. On the other hand 2011 lost to a pud Colorado losery team 3 times so there's that.

don't miss those kind of losses

[michigancat]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

[Cartierfor3]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

True. They DIDN'T murder Texas Tech or Nebraska would be a more accurate way of saying it.

[michigancat]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

True. They DIDN'T murder Texas Tech or Nebraska would be a more accurate way of saying it.

True. 2010 didn't beat ISU at home (a team far worse than both 2008 Texas Tech or Nebraska). You can do this all day.

[Powercat Posse]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

[michigancat]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

11 got clowned by a 4 seed wisconsin team (4 seeds are worse than 3 seeds), and who has 13 beat on the road outside of OU?

[wetwillie]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

11 got clowned by a 4 seed wisconsin team (4 seeds are worse than 3 seeds), and who has 13 beat on the road outside of OU?

World beater TCU

[Mixed-Nutz]

1. National championship
2. Final Four (regional championship)
3. Elite eight & conference championship
4. Total wins
5. Nothing else matters

[michigancat]

conference champ > Elite Eight for sure. Even when the league is awful like this year.

[yosh]

Is everybody on the roster healthy and eligible?  Do I have Hoskins and Sutton on 08 or do I have to start Andre Gilbert?  Is Walker on 07?  can I play Kelly and Kent together on the 09 team?   The 08 roster at full capacity is probably the #1 team in the nation this season and without a doubt the best group of talent ever assembled at K-State.   If you said I had to enter a tournament with one of the rosters, I'm picking 08 without discussion.  If were ranking on how their season's actually went, probably a different story.

[yoman]

Is everybody on the roster healthy and eligible?  Do I have Hoskins and Sutton on 08 or do I have to start Andre Gilbert?  Is Walker on 07?  can I play Kelly and Kent together on the 09 team?   The 08 roster at full capacity is probably the #1 team in the nation this season and without a doubt the best group of talent ever assembled at K-State.   If you said I had to enter a tournament with one of the rosters, I'm picking 08 without discussion.  If were ranking on how their season's actually went, probably a different story.

disagree.   10 has much better guards.  Sr. Denis and Jr. Jake >>>> Sr. Clent and Blake and Fr. Jake
Jr. Sutton marches up well defensively with Walker.
Beasely would have gotten his against Soph. Jamar.
Hoskins would have had significant issues against Jr. Curt.
It would be an amazing game to watch, but in the end the back court for '10 out skills the back court from '08 more than the front court from '08 outskills the front court from '10.  Id say '10 wins 7/10 times.  '08 is OJ Mayo away from being the best team ever at K-State hands down.

[yosh]

Is everybody on the roster healthy and eligible?  Do I have Hoskins and Sutton on 08 or do I have to start Andre Gilbert?  Is Walker on 07?  can I play Kelly and Kent together on the 09 team?   The 08 roster at full capacity is probably the #1 team in the nation this season and without a doubt the best group of talent ever assembled at K-State.   If you said I had to enter a tournament with one of the rosters, I'm picking 08 without discussion.  If were ranking on how their season's actually went, probably a different story.

disagree.   10 has much better guards.  Sr. Denis and Jr. Jake >>>> Sr. Clent and Blake and Fr. Jake
Jr. Sutton marches up well defensively with Walker.
Beasely would have gotten his against Soph. Jamar.
Hoskins would have had significant issues against Jr. Curt.
It would be an amazing game to watch, but in the end the back court for '10 out skills the back court from '08 more than the front court from '08 outskills the front court from '10.  Id say '10 wins 7/10 times.  '08 is OJ Mayo away from being the best team ever at K-State hands down.

Denis Clemente was the best guard on that 08 team.  He couldn't play due to transfer rules, but he was on that team.   

[mocat]

Is everybody on the roster healthy and eligible?  Do I have Hoskins and Sutton on 08 or do I have to start Andre Gilbert?  Is Walker on 07?  can I play Kelly and Kent together on the 09 team?   The 08 roster at full capacity is probably the #1 team in the nation this season and without a doubt the best group of talent ever assembled at K-State.   If you said I had to enter a tournament with one of the rosters, I'm picking 08 without discussion.  If were ranking on how their season's actually went, probably a different story.

disagree.   10 has much better guards.  Sr. Denis and Jr. Jake >>>> Sr. Clent and Blake and Fr. Jake
Jr. Sutton marches up well defensively with Walker.
Beasely would have gotten his against Soph. Jamar.
Hoskins would have had significant issues against Jr. Curt.
It would be an amazing game to watch, but in the end the back court for '10 out skills the back court from '08 more than the front court from '08 outskills the front court from '10.  Id say '10 wins 7/10 times.  '08 is OJ Mayo away from being the best team ever at K-State hands down.

Denis Clemente was the best guard on that 08 team.  He couldn't play due to transfer rules, but he was on that team.   

Pfffft and 13 is Smart and withey away from being undefeated

[Stevesie60]

Can you guys imagine Gip and Southwell guarding Beas and BW?

Sophomore Angel vs. Freshman Jake

[Asteriskhead]

Can you guys imagine Gip and Southwell guarding Beas and BW?

Sophomore Angel vs. Freshman Jake

Indeed, real life friend Jakesie. Indeed.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Need to compare conference only adjO and adjD; we were so bad early in this year. Also it depends at what point in time you are comparing teams in different years. In 10 we really took it to another level late in the year, i.e., around conference tourney time. This year we have been so good for the bulk of the big 12 season. If we can take it to another level their will be very little question 10 & 13 are our best teams of recent history. 2008 team struggle at the end of year and was a big disappointment.

[Rock Lobster]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

11 got clowned by a 4 seed wisconsin team (4 seeds are worse than 3 seeds), and who has 13 beat on the road outside of OU?

2011 was decided in the last minute
2008 lost by 17 in Omaha

The road argument isn't fair yet because our regular season is still in progress.

[Powercat Posse]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

11 got clowned by a 4 seed wisconsin team (4 seeds are worse than 3 seeds), and who has 13 beat on the road outside of OU?

08 Cats lost by 17 to Wisc.  11 Cats had a chance to win the game in the final minute.   I guess my definition of clowing is different that urs.

2013 season isnt done yet, but as of now best road win is at OU, but this years team also didnt lose 3 road games to teams in bottom half of league who failed to make Ncaa tourney (08 did)

[Stevesie60]

2008 obviously had the best upside. I'd say it was even higher than 2010's because '08 beat the future NC at home, and 2010 couldn't beat KU at home that year. But 2010 was much better suit to make a deep tourney run because they could consistently play like a good/great team.

I don't think we can rank the 2013 team yet. If we end up winning the league then I don't know how you could argue against calling them the 2nd best team since 2005, even though their upside isn't that great.

[Rock Lobster]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

11 got clowned by a 4 seed wisconsin team (4 seeds are worse than 3 seeds), and who has 13 beat on the road outside of OU?

08 Cats lost by 17 to Wisc.  11 Cats had a chance to win the game in the final minute.   I guess my definition of clowing is different that urs.

2013 season isnt done yet, but as of now best road win is at OU, but this years team also didnt lose 3 road games to teams in bottom half of league who failed to make Ncaa tourney (08 did)

Thanks for repeating everything that I said in the post right before this one.

[michigancat]

I think it's been shown that 2008 would murder 2011

2008 couldn't murder Texas Tech or Nebraska or a bunch of other pud teams that it lost to.

oh they absolutely could have. they murdered the friggin national champions for goodness sake.

2011 team also murdered a 1 seed KU team.   2008 team was good enough to play with anyone, but outside of the game at OU they were a bad team on the road and got clowned by 3 seed Wisc on nuetral court.    IMO, that 08 is behind the 10,13, 11 teams but ahead of the rest

11 got clowned by a 4 seed wisconsin team (4 seeds are worse than 3 seeds), and who has 13 beat on the road outside of OU?

2011 was decided in the last minute
2008 lost by 17 in Omaha

The road argument isn't fair yet because our regular season is still in progress.

well then, no comparison to 2013 is fair. Which I think is fair.

[kso_FAN]

Need to compare conference only adjO and adjD; we were so bad early in this year. Also it depends at what point in time you are comparing teams in different years. In 10 we really took it to another level late in the year, i.e., around conference tourney time. This year we have been so good for the bulk of the big 12 season. If we can take it to another level their will be very little question 10 & 13 are our best teams of recent history. 2008 team struggle at the end of year and was a big disappointment.

Like 10, 13 has the chance to get a favorable seed and therefore a great chance at the 2nd weekend. I loved all those other teams, but too many times we lost stupid games that costs us seed lines that made Sweet 16s more difficult, many of them at home. I loved Frank's ability to consistently be good against really good teams, but it was annoying to lose nearly every year to an NIT quality team at home.

[mocat]

Need to compare conference only adjO and adjD; we were so bad early in this year. Also it depends at what point in time you are comparing teams in different years. In 10 we really took it to another level late in the year, i.e., around conference tourney time. This year we have been so good for the bulk of the big 12 season. If we can take it to another level their will be very little question 10 & 13 are our best teams of recent history. 2008 team struggle at the end of year and was a big disappointment.

Like 10, 13 has the chance to get a favorable seed and therefore a great chance at the 2nd weekend. I loved all those other teams, but too many times we lost stupid games that costs us seed lines that made Sweet 16s more difficult, many of them at home. I loved Frank's ability to consistently be good against really good teams, but it was annoying to lose to lose nearly every year to an NIT quality team at home.

Yes to all this. Avoiding the upset has been a huge blow to mocat's #bid mindset

[mocat]

Updated:

Record vs higher rated teams:
08: 2-4 (beat 1,16, lost to 1,5,9,16)
09: 2-8 (beat 6,23, lost to 6,10,10,13,23,28,33,34)
10: 2-3 (beat 6,6, lost to 2,2,2)
11: 4-5 (beat 3,5,20,29, lost to 2,3,7,16,27)
12: 3-5 (beat 10,10,17, lost to 4,4,6,17,17)
13: 2-4 (beat 1,15, lost to 4,8,8,10)

Record vs lower rated teams:
08: 18-8 (lost to 18,28,34,41,42,44,78,94)
09: 19-4 (lost to 52,64,91,156)
10: 26-5 (lost to 12,19,40,51,71)
11: 18-6 (lost to 44,51,56,56,56,74)
12: 19-6 (lost to 27,27,31,53,108,108)
13: 20-1 (lost to 38)

also KSU has matched their highest win total since '88 (excluding '10) already.

KSU only has to finish the regular season 1-2 to guarantee a season with single digit losses (kind of awesome imo)