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« Reply #100 on: February 15, 2013, 02:16:13 PM »
I agree with dlew that consistency requires that if one thinks Will and dad should be called out, one should also think that JO and mom should be called out.  What happens after either of those pairs act is beyond their control.

absurd. intent behind actions as well as consequences after actions should absolutely be taken into account when judging actions.

I don't think their actions are the same.  I don't even think they are all that similar.

Action at issue:  Bitching to the AD about the coach.

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« Reply #101 on: February 15, 2013, 02:19:00 PM »
Its entertaining for sure, but I don't really care for parent's going public (to reporters, social media, whatever) with their stuff that should be taken care of with the coach or AD. And Spradling's dad calling and feeding Kellis talking points is MUCH worse than this, but I still don't like either one.

i think this post gets to the crux of the issue.  kids are going to kid, parents are going to parent, and coaches are going to coach.  there's nothing anyone can do to change that.  and you really can't place blame on any of them for doing what they do, it's just inherent in playing their role .  however, how each of these roles are managed is the job of the AD.  a competent AD is one who wouldn't let spradling's or JO's parents issues get to the point where they find themselves feeding media outlets their version of the world, or airing dirty laundry on message boards.  i mean, it's going to happen to some extent but not to the degree we've seen here.

just an imo.

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« Reply #102 on: February 15, 2013, 02:23:39 PM »
I agree with dlew that consistency requires that if one thinks Will and dad should be called out, one should also think that JO and mom should be called out.  What happens after either of those pairs act is beyond their control.

absurd. intent behind actions as well as consequences after actions should absolutely be taken into account when judging actions.

I don't think their actions are the same.  I don't even think they are all that similar.

Action at issue:  Bitching to the AD about the coach.

In that case, they are similar.  Though for me, that is not why I don't like Will/Shannon.

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« Reply #103 on: February 15, 2013, 02:23:53 PM »
i've got more juice than minute maid, u digg?    :confused:


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« Reply #104 on: February 15, 2013, 02:28:03 PM »
I agree with dlew that consistency requires that if one thinks Will and dad should be called out, one should also think that JO and mom should be called out.  What happens after either of those pairs act is beyond their control.

absurd. intent behind actions as well as consequences after actions should absolutely be taken into account when judging actions.

I don't know their intent beyond surmising that they're looking out for their kids.  Really skeptical that anyone here would know much more than that.

team sprads was looking out for their kid and wanted a coach gone so that their kid would stay at kstate and not transfer. we know this because when frank left, will decided to stay. staying at kstate without frank was their first choice and transferring somewhere else if frank stayed was the second one. yes they wanted frank gone. team jo is looking out for their kid for a different reason. jo is graduating. intent can't be the same between the two groups. impossible.

also what happens after an action is pretty freaking important. like if i'm at the store and pete drives his car drunk into my house and then passes out, i'm kind of upset at pete. but if he drives his car drunk into my house and then passes out and some oil leaks and the car starts on fire and the house burns down with my entire family in it then i'm more than kind of upset.

spradspete got drunk on purpose and ran the car into my house on purpose and then burned it and got off free with no jail time or anything and jopete just got drunk and then parked the car in my driveway and walked away. who cares.
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« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2013, 02:28:19 PM »
i've got more juice than minute maid, u digg?    :confused:

A clams divided against himself cannot stand.  Just let it go and you'll probably feel even better than your normal very high level of feeling good.  Like if you kicked the ol' sodium intake down a few more percentage points.  Raging about ADJC is like a high sodium diet for your soul is what I'm saying here. 
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« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2013, 02:35:23 PM »
Maybe JO should continue listening to the former coach he loved so much.  Maybe if he listens real good, he will figure out why he's not playing more. 

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« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2013, 02:45:07 PM »
I agree with dlew that consistency requires that if one thinks Will and dad should be called out, one should also think that JO and mom should be called out.  What happens after either of those pairs act is beyond their control.

absurd. intent behind actions as well as consequences after actions should absolutely be taken into account when judging actions.

I don't know their intent beyond surmising that they're looking out for their kids.  Really skeptical that anyone here would know much more than that.

team sprads was looking out for their kid and wanted a coach gone so that their kid would stay at kstate and not transfer. we know this because when frank left, will decided to stay. staying at kstate without frank was their first choice and transferring somewhere else if frank stayed was the second one. yes they wanted frank gone. team jo is looking out for their kid for a different reason. jo is graduating. intent can't be the same between the two groups. impossible.

also what happens after an action is pretty freaking important. like if i'm at the store and pete drives his car drunk into my house and then passes out, i'm kind of upset at pete. but if he drives his car drunk into my house and then passes out and some oil leaks and the car starts on fire and the house burns down with my entire family in it then i'm more than kind of upset.

spradspete got drunk on purpose and ran the car into my house on purpose and then burned it and got off free with no jail time or anything and jopete just got drunk and then parked the car in my driveway and walked away. who cares.

dear god what a horrible post. i'm in too deep. aborting.

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« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2013, 03:04:08 PM »
Quote from: Dlew12 link=topic=26386.msg744971#msg744971 date= :billdance:

I don't think it's fair or consistent to crap on Sprads for being a pussy when he complains about a coach (which Currie just so happened to use as one of his reasons for firing Frank) and not consider JO a pussy when he complains about a coach (which Currie doesn't respond to).
i think another point here is that spradling chose to play for Frank, while JO pretty much got stuck with oscar

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« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2013, 03:25:08 PM »
JO'S mom is probably more liked on this board than JO  :sdeek:
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« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2013, 03:38:33 PM »
WOW go away from the board for a couple of hours and I miss this huge story. I'm only on page 1 but as the conductor of the teamJO train and a confirmed hardcore Frankite, I'm gonna enjoy the hell of of pages 2-5 

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« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2013, 03:44:55 PM »
WOW go away from the board for a couple of hours and I miss this huge story. I'm only on page 1 but as the conductor of the teamJO train and a confirmed hardcore Frankite, I'm gonna enjoy the hell of of pages 2-5 

:excited:  :ksu: :drool: :dance:

:dubious: More like the Ellie Goulding train (which is also a good train to be on)
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« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2013, 03:45:12 PM »
WOW go away from the board for a couple of hours and I miss this huge story. I'm only on page 1 but as the conductor of the teamJO train and a confirmed hardcore Frankite, I'm gonna enjoy the hell of of pages 2-5 

:excited:  :ksu: :drool: :dance:

it doesn't get that great. i derailed it and then ruined it. much apologies.
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« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2013, 03:47:06 PM »
can we put  :sdeek: on this body  :dance:

I think that would appropriately describe my emotions
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« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2013, 04:00:25 PM »
Didn't the Spadlings spread the rumor that JO told Willie Cauley to not come here because of Frank?

I don't know, but I'm 100% willing to accept that as fact.

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« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2013, 04:04:58 PM »
Didn't the Spadlings spread the rumor that JO told Willie Cauley to not come here because of Frank?

I don't know, but I'm 100% willing to accept that as fact.

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« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2013, 04:06:35 PM »
WOW go away from the board for a couple of hours and I miss this huge story. I'm only on page 1 but as the conductor of the teamJO train and a confirmed hardcore Frankite, I'm gonna enjoy the hell of of pages 2-5 

:excited:  :ksu: :drool: :dance:

it doesn't get that great. i derailed it and then ruined it. much apologies.
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« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2013, 04:26:31 PM »
WOW go away from the board for a couple of hours and I miss this huge story. I'm only on page 1 but as the conductor of the teamJO train and a confirmed hardcore Frankite, I'm gonna enjoy the hell of of pages 2-5 

:excited:  :ksu: :drool: :dance:

it doesn't get that great. i derailed it and then ruined it. much apologies.

You didn't.

I'm stunned that someone could honestly profess to not knowing the difference between a black woman from NYC making a Facebook post and a player and his dad from Johnson County using boosters, media, and an athletic department to trash a coach and the program because they didn't like the fact that the coach made the kid play point guard. Not only did the Spradlings take a scorched earth philosophy last spring but they continue to grind that axe nearly a full year later well after their problem was gone. Will had and has an active role in Spradling v. Martin, JO had no role in his mom's Facebook post.

I'm going to assume that any attempts to favorably compare the two situations is just a case of message boarding. Also dlew if I could directly address you for a second, personally for you to lump everyone critical of Will & Shannon into the "Will is a pussy" group is incredibly insulting. You obviously didn't do it directly to me here, but you have in the past and you did essentially lump all of goEMAW into this group. If you are associating talking points from the MIcat and RDs of the board with those from the bigwillie and edns there really isn't a rational place to go from there.





end rant, I wish the thread would have been more fun, now I'm going to start the Frank press conference thread with high hopes

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« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2013, 04:33:37 PM »
Also dlew if I could directly address you for a second, personally for you to lump everyone critical of Will & Shannon into the "Will is a pussy" group is incredibly insulting. You obviously didn't do it directly to me here, but you have in the past and you did essentially lump all of goEMAW into this group. If you are associating talking points from the MIcat and RDs of the board with those from the bigwillie and edns there really isn't a rational place to go from there.
Listen, Daris and I were both painting with broad strokes.  He opined about the GPC talking points and I opined about the gE talking points.  Take it easy.


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« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2013, 04:45:09 PM »
Also dlew if I could directly address you for a second, personally for you to lump everyone critical of Will & Shannon into the "Will is a pussy" group is incredibly insulting. You obviously didn't do it directly to me here, but you have in the past and you did essentially lump all of goEMAW into this group. If you are associating talking points from the MIcat and RDs of the board with those from the bigwillie and edns there really isn't a rational place to go from there.
Listen, Daris and I were both painting with broad strokes.  He opined about the GPC talking points and I opined about the gE talking points.  Take it easy.

I think he's calling you racist d-rew.  You should say something back and then we'd have a real fight on our hands.

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« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2013, 04:46:41 PM »
Also dlew if I could directly address you for a second, personally for you to lump everyone critical of Will & Shannon into the "Will is a pussy" group is incredibly insulting. You obviously didn't do it directly to me here, but you have in the past and you did essentially lump all of goEMAW into this group. If you are associating talking points from the MIcat and RDs of the board with those from the bigwillie and edns there really isn't a rational place to go from there.
Listen, Daris and I were both painting with broad strokes.  He opined about the GPC talking points and I opined about the gE talking points.  Take it easy.

Did I say something mean? I'm just pointing out that you are fond of using this device when Will comes up and it pisses me off, seemed like a good time to bring it up especially when it was evoked in the context of Anthony Jordan Luis Henriquez Roberts.

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« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2013, 04:52:35 PM »
Also dlew if I could directly address you for a second, personally for you to lump everyone critical of Will & Shannon into the "Will is a pussy" group is incredibly insulting. You obviously didn't do it directly to me here, but you have in the past and you did essentially lump all of goEMAW into this group. If you are associating talking points from the MIcat and RDs of the board with those from the bigwillie and edns there really isn't a rational place to go from there.
Listen, Daris and I were both painting with broad strokes.  He opined about the GPC talking points and I opined about the gE talking points.  Take it easy.

Did I say something mean? I'm just pointing out that you are fond of using this device when Will comes up and it pisses me off, seemed like a good time to bring it up especially when it was evoked in the context of Anthony Jordan Luis Henriquez Roberts.
Well, i'm sorry for doing it in other threads but i don't think i'm sorry for doing it in this thread. 

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« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2013, 05:05:51 PM »
These situations are so dissimilar that I have a hard time understanding why they are being compared. Will is an average guard that likely doesn't have the athleticism to even play in one of the better leagues in Europe. So, he has not shot to make real money playing basketball. The reason the Spradlings acted out was because they dislike Frank, and they thought that Will was playing out of position. As has been stated before, Will had two more years left at KSU, so they knew if they could get rid of Frank, then Will would have a chance to play his desired position for a coach they liked more without having to sit out a year and move to a different state. Knowing that, the Spradlings launched an all-out smear campaign through every channel available to them including influential contacts, the radio, and local newspaper. JO coming into this year had a real shot to get an NBA contract with improved play this season. oscar Weber has refused to tweak the offense at all to cater toward JO's offensive skillset, which prevents him from showcasing his more marketable assets (defense and rebounding) to NBA scouts, because he has been nailed to the bench. In response to this, JO's mom posted a one paragraph lament about JO's situation on a social network, knowing that oscar's future at KSU doesn't have any impact on her son whatsoever. How am I supposed to see any type of correlation here? Because the parents of two college basketball players had a conversation with the AD?
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« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2013, 06:06:29 PM »
None of the differences anyone has pointed out are really relevant to dlew's point (or a charitible reading of it).  The best anyone could say is that the two cases are different in degree.  But, ultimately, if you're (not) pissed at one player, you should (not) be pissed at the other.

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« Reply #124 on: February 15, 2013, 06:44:46 PM »
Good lord, you would swear we are fans of an effing Kansas 3A High School basketball team
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