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Re: KSU Booze Cats
« Reply #6225 on: August 18, 2022, 02:52:45 PM »
If you accept that Hughes sucks (and he does), there's no need for an extension. The notion that an extension will magically allow for Hughes to recruit better is stupid. He's actually had plenty of draft picks (including the first 1st rounder in KSU history) and still can't make an NCAA tourney. If you want to be cheap and avoid a buyout, just take our lumps for a year or two and let his contract expire - it's not like we can get much worse (if we go 4-22 in Big 12 instead of 8-16 - who cares - it still sucks).

If you gave him an extension because you genuinely think he's doing a good job... well, that means Gene is right there with the other ADs in K-State history who place zero value on fielding competitive teams (outside of football and men's b-ball).

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« Reply #6226 on: August 18, 2022, 04:54:34 PM »
I don't think it allows him to recruit better than he has been, but I do think it allows him to continue to recruit at the same level as opposed to much worse.  There aren't many, if any, head coaches that have contracts that are expiring as it's a pretty clear sign to players that they'll deal with a coaching change.  The cost of the buyout is the cost of not having a dogshit roster to hand off to the next guy.  When we do make a change, publicly being cheap about it ensures that any quality coach will stay away from our program.


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« Reply #6227 on: August 18, 2022, 07:14:32 PM »
Is this really anything more than a "we're not going to fire him so we have to extend him so we can recruit" extension?

no, and imo gene just needs to be honest about the fact that the extension is due to factors that have nothing to do with previous on-field success

The pro Pete crowd on Twitter are pointing to how much better the talent is in the program now as his success point. To me, that's problematic. He's upgraded the talent but we're what, 1, 2, 3 games better a year under Hughes than we were under Hill? This contract is bizarre. I guess the good news is that it might be the last one, for baseball anyway, that Gene gives.

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« Reply #6228 on: August 19, 2022, 08:45:29 AM »
i'm unreasonably mad about this. it would seem like a minimum investment to try to be good at baseball and it's a cool AF sport.

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« Reply #6229 on: August 19, 2022, 09:03:56 AM »
He honestly hasn't really upgraded the talent if we're being honest with ourselves. Brad had a guy or two, just like Pete does. It's just the same program overall.

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« Reply #6230 on: August 19, 2022, 09:30:30 AM »
do we have big donors who are like baseball only donors?  would imagine donating a bunch for the stadium and then getting this over and over would make you a little mad

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« Reply #6231 on: August 19, 2022, 01:11:23 PM »
I thought it was weird to extend him but I wouldn't worry too much about it you guys. We're a football/basketball combo school now, and the last couple baseball seasons have actually been better and more fun.

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« Reply #6232 on: August 19, 2022, 01:45:45 PM »
how much would it cost to become a "good" baseball program? probably not a lot I bet. I say we do it. Just go for it. WOW!

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« Reply #6233 on: August 19, 2022, 03:41:08 PM »
Well, we can feel great that we're stuck with Hughes for at least two more seasons (probably three) thanks to the buyout sitatuon with this new contract. He's now making 535k with escalators up to 635k in the next four years.

At that salary, we could absolutely have a coach who hasn't missed the NCAA tournament 80 percent of the time during a 20-plus year career and one who could probably finish in the top 5 in the Big 12.

Thanks Gene, you dumb butthole.

https://amp.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article264643739.html

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« Reply #6234 on: August 19, 2022, 03:56:03 PM »
how much would it cost to become a "good" baseball program? probably not a lot I bet. I say we do it. Just go for it. WOW!

Imagine having a Miss St run, wow
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« Reply #6235 on: August 19, 2022, 08:16:15 PM »
how much would it cost to become a "good" baseball program? probably not a lot I bet. I say we do it. Just go for it. WOW!

Imagine having a Miss St run, wow

Yeah, no. We'll never have that much talent, I don't give a damn if the coach is Terry Francona. I bet Mississippi State could never leave the state to recruit and they'd out recruit us.

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« Reply #6236 on: August 20, 2022, 11:18:56 AM »
If K-State decides to terminate his contract early without cause, it will owe Hughes 70% of his remaining contract value before July 14, 2024, 60% the following year and $635,000 at any point after July 15, 2025.

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Literally no one would hire him away.

Does his contract have a buyout if someone tries to hire him away?

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« Reply #6237 on: August 21, 2022, 01:50:01 PM »
Does it have a requirement to seek gainful employment with the new employment salary reducing the K-State payout?

That was in Brad Hill's contract.