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KU is right on par with Notre Dame ... when it comes to adding additional conference revenue
Beer pro tip: never drink anything other than BL, coors, pbr, maybe a few others that I'm forgetting
weird thread title.
I seem to recall that during the previous administration the mantra amongst many on the left that the war on terror was a falsehood . . . a cover story to promote U.S. hegemony and the desires of PNAC.Now . . . we must remove the constraints so as to give the President the ability to fight the terraists in the alleys and the back streets anywhere in the world and against anyone or anything the President deems as Terrorists/Terrorisms, even if they're U.S. citizens.Just Say NO to overreaching executive powers . . . UNLESS a Democrat is President.
The issue is that what the administration calls "terrorists" or "Al Queda" is extremely subjective and frankly scary. It's just another in the long and growing list of exeuctive branch power grabs.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2013, 01:45:06 PMThe issue is that what the administration calls "terrorists" or "Al Queda" is extremely subjective and frankly scary. It's just another in the long and growing list of exeuctive branch power grabs.Well I agree with you on both of those points, but if we can prevent future terrorist attacks and the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, I'm willing to give them that power.
He's already killed citizens that he declared terrorists, why is this news? this is awful by the way.
Anwar al-Awlaki was a radical American-born Muslim cleric who became a leading figure in Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen. He was killed there on Sept. 30, 2011, by a missile fired from an American drone aircraft.Mr. Awlaki had been perhaps the most prominent English-speaking advocate of violent jihad against the United States, with his message carried extensively over the Internet. His online lectures and sermons had been linked to more than a dozen terrorist investigations in the United States, Britain and Canada.Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of shooting 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., in November 2009, had exchanged e-mails with Mr. Awlaki before the deadly rampage. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab met with him before he failed to blow up an airplane with a bomb hidden in his underwear in December 2009. Faisal Shahzad, who tried to set off a car bomb in Times Square in May 2010, cited Mr. Awlaki as an inspiration.The drone attack also killed Samir Khan, an American citizen born in Pakistan traveling with Mr. Awlaki. Mr. Khan edited Al Qaeda’s online jihadist magazine. A month later, Mr. Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was born in Colorado, was part of a group of people killed by a drone strike in Yemen.Mr. Awlaki, whom the United States had been hunting in Yemen for more than two years, had been identified as the target in advance and was killed with a Hellfire missile fired from a drone operated by the Central Intelligence Agency. The strike appeared to be the first time in the United States-led war on terrorism since the 9/11 attacks that an American citizen had been deliberately targeted and killed by American forces.His influence has survived his death. A 21-year-old Bangladeshi man charged in October 2012 with trying to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in Lower Manhattan in a sting operation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation told an undercover agent that he had formed his jihadist views listening to Mr. Awlaki’s sermons.
Decision to TargetIn 2010, the Obama administration had taken the rare step of authorizing the targeted killing of Mr. Awlaki, even though he was an American citizen — a step that had provoked lawsuits and criticism from human rights groups. He had survived at least one earlier missile strike from an American military drone.The administration’s secret legal memorandum that opened the door to the killing of Mr. Awlaki found that it would be lawful only if it were not feasible to take him alive. The drone attacks had been part of a clandestine Pentagon program to hunt members of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the group believed responsible for a number of failed attempts to strike the United States.
The Legal IssuesThe decision to target Mr. Awlaki was sharply criticized by human rights advocates, who said it put the government in the position of judge, jury and executioner for an American citizen entitled to Constitutional due process no matter where on the globe.The legal reasoning behind the order came in a secret memo written by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. The document provided the justification for acting despite an executive order banning assassinations, a federal law against murder, protections in the Bill of Rights and various strictures of the international laws of war, according to people familiar with the analysis. The memo, however, was narrowly drawn to the specifics of Mr. Awlaki’s case and did not establish a broad new legal doctrine to permit the targeted killing of any Americans believed to pose a terrorist threat.The legal analysis, in essence, concluded that Mr. Awlaki could be legally killed, if it was not feasible to capture him, because intelligence agencies said he was taking part in the war between the United States and Al Qaeda and posed a significant threat to Americans, as well as because Yemeni authorities were unable or unwilling to stop him.
I'm very pro Drone. Seems like a cheaper way to enforce our will on the globe.
I don't give a crap if they are Muslims you racist piece of crap. If they committed crimes, arrest then and put them on trial.
So we've basically eliminated a lot of the ridiculous bureaucracy that we used to have to go through to kill members of al Qaeda. We can either bring the fight to the terrorists, or we can wait for another 9/11 to occur.
Quote from: OregonSmock on February 05, 2013, 01:29:30 PMSo we've basically eliminated a lot of the ridiculous bureaucracy that we used to have to go through to kill members of al Qaeda. We can either bring the fight to the terrorists, or we can wait for another 9/11 to occur. I tend to agree with this type of thinking, but that could lead us into more wars like Iraq, which the left was incensed about.
Quote from: michigancat on February 05, 2013, 07:02:43 PMI don't give a crap if they are Muslims you racist piece of crap. If they committed crimes, arrest then and put them on trial.What on Earth are you so angry about? They were unable to arrest him, which led to the drone strike.
Quote from: OregonSmock on February 05, 2013, 01:29:30 PMSo we've basically eliminated a lot of the ridiculous bureaucracy that we used to have to go through to kill members of al Qaeda. We can either bring the fight to the terrorists, or we can wait for another 9/11 to occur. If by ridiculous bureaucracy you mean the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 14th amendments you would be correct.
Quote from: ednksu on February 05, 2013, 09:45:22 PMQuote from: OregonSmock on February 05, 2013, 01:29:30 PMSo we've basically eliminated a lot of the ridiculous bureaucracy that we used to have to go through to kill members of al Qaeda. We can either bring the fight to the terrorists, or we can wait for another 9/11 to occur. If by ridiculous bureaucracy you mean the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 14th amendments you would be correct. eff off peacenik
