Frank Haith '12-'13 = oscar Weber '13-'14

[ksupamplemousse]

Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?

[Paul Moscow]

Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?

Completely irrelevant.

[ksupamplemousse]

Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?

Completely irrelevant.

Please expand upon your incredibly enlightening post 

[Stevesie60]

Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?

Completely irrelevant.

[ksupamplemousse]

Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?

Completely irrelevant.

I hate you guys 

[DQ12]

I hate you guys 

Completely irrelevant.

[ksupamplemousse]

I hate you guys 

Completely irrelevant.

 It's kind of loosely relevant, dammit

[nicname]

I really admire your fire in terms of you being #teamburnitdown.  You're an activist. It's rare to see someone fight what they believe is the good fight so fervently.  Kudos.

[wabash909]

We're not winning a conference tournament title this year, FYI.

[RonLongshaft]

Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them.

[michigancat]

Webs is a way better XandOer

What on Earth is this based on?

[quietstorm5]

Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other 

Webs is a way better XandOer

What on Earth is this based on?

[Rage Against the McKee]

We will be good as long as we have Angel. We can expect to ride on the NIT bubble after he leaves, though.

[pissclams]

i'm thinking we might just need a deuce master thread if this crap keeps up.  i can't wake up every day seeing another one of his dumb rough ridin' threads on this board.

[michigancat]

Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other 

Webs is a way better XandOer

What on Earth is this based on?

Haith had worse players, though.

[kso_FAN]

"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO

[quietstorm5]

You're saying Frank Haith had worse players last year and at Miami than Weber had at SIU and had at Illinois post 07-08 season?

Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other 

Webs is a way better XandOer

What on Earth is this based on?

Haith had worse players, though.

[michigancat]

"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO

Sometimes it means "black people aren't as smart as white people"

[michigancat]

You're saying Frank Haith had worse players last year and at Miami than Weber had at SIU and had at Illinois post 07-08 season?

Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other 

Webs is a way better XandOer

What on Earth is this based on?

Haith had worse players, though.

Absolutely.

[quietstorm5]

This may be true many of times and maybe the op should have just said a better coach period, because by any objective data Heath doesn't measure up to Weber even when you remove the 5 Illinois seasons where he had a Self recruit on his roster!

"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO

[quietstorm5]

So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.

You're saying Frank Haith had worse players last year and at Miami than Weber had at SIU and had at Illinois post 07-08 season?


What on Earth is this based on?

Haith had worse players, though.
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[kso_FAN]

This may be true many of times and maybe the op should have just said a better coach period, because by any objective data Heath doesn't measure up to Weber even when you remove the 5 Illinois seasons where he had a Self recruit on his roster!

"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO

Objective data (career averages in efficiency and 4 factors)

   Pace   OPPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR   DPPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
Haith   65.8   1.14   50.8   19.0   36.8   35.2   0.97   48.4   19.8   32.2   34.1
oscar   65.2   1.11   51.2   19.0   34.7   30.7   0.91   46.7   21.1   31.0   34.2

[michigancat]

So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.

I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.

Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.

How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?

[ksupamplemousse]

i'm thinking we might just need a deuce master thread if this crap keeps up.  i can't wake up every day seeing another one of his dumb rough ridin' threads on this board.

I'm sorry that I'm trying to be an active participant on this board, I could see how that might upset you. Other people seem to be at least tolerating the threads, so maybe you should offer up a splif to the crisp Kansas air and just relax a bit.

[quietstorm5]

You can argue whatever you want and you can love the offensive pace and play of a team but what you like and argue are subjective points! Objective points are 2 1st place conference finishes and the S16 compared to 2nd place and the 2nd round loss with significantly better talent! Another objective fact, Haith best conference finish was last year in 2nd place, prior to that in an 8 year career had never finished better than 5th in the conference. Weber in a 14 year career had finished worse than 5th only twice. So in 12 of 14 years Weber did as well or better than Haith ever did prior to last year. Weber has 4 1st place conference finishes and 2 2nd place finishes in conference. Pace is great but I think most people judge a coach off of wins and losses. Most measure the success of a coach off of how he does in the tourney, how he does against his fellow conference bretheren. Objectively Weber is just better. You make not like how his offense looks but it wins, Haith not as much.

So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.

I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.

Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.

How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?