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« Reply #100 on: January 30, 2013, 05:04:55 PM »
Do you read more law stuff or more medical stuff on Wikipedia in your spare time? That will show what you really want to be.

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« Reply #101 on: January 30, 2013, 05:05:19 PM »
I'm going to interject a thought here unrelated (sort of) to this thread. This thread is a large part of why I am a member of goEMAW and why I keep posting. Am I an elite poster? no. But I know at the end of the day, if I have a question that needs resolved, I can bring it up here and get many intellectual responses from many smart people from diverse backgrounds and beliefs. So, as always, thank you all for your contributions to this thread.

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« Reply #102 on: January 30, 2013, 05:11:13 PM »
Do you read more law stuff or more medical stuff on Wikipedia in your spare time? That will show what you really want to be.

It's really a weird mix, I am more interested in the human body when alone. But I feel I love arguing and debating more.

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« Reply #103 on: January 30, 2013, 05:11:36 PM »
We are bitb but not from diverse backgrounds lol

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« Reply #104 on: January 30, 2013, 05:12:12 PM »
We are bitb but not from diverse backgrounds lol

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« Reply #105 on: January 30, 2013, 05:12:35 PM »
I'm going to interject a thought here unrelated (sort of) to this thread. This thread is a large part of why I am a member of goEMAW and why I keep posting. Am I an elite poster? no. But I know at the end of the day, if I have a question that needs resolved, I can bring it up here and get many intellectual responses from many smart people from diverse backgrounds and beliefs. So, as always, thank you all for your contributions to this thread.

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« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2013, 05:13:22 PM »
I'm going to interject a thought here unrelated (sort of) to this thread. This thread is a large part of why I am a member of goEMAW and why I keep posting. Am I an elite poster? no. But I know at the end of the day, if I have a question that needs resolved, I can bring it up here and get many intellectual responses from many smart people from diverse backgrounds and beliefs. So, as always, thank you all for your contributions to this thread.

Now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast...

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Re: Law School
« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2013, 05:13:49 PM »
I know a lot of motivated, intelligent, well-spoken recent law grads who are struggling.  I think they've all found something, but the market is really tough.  That said, three years will make a big difference.  I'd research how much applications are down because this might actually be a good time to get in the game with less competition.

If you go to a great law school you'll be fine.  If you go to a local law school, pick the one with the lowest tuition.

My gut says to tell you "no" based on the recent grads (and 3Ls) I know who are struggling, but if you find apps to law school are way down this might actually be the right time...

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« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2013, 05:21:24 PM »
What do you want to do with your law degree?  I think that question has been overlooked.  If I were going into law school at this point, I would need to have a more specific goal than "be a lawyer."

I just want to be presented with challenges everyday and argue for them being solved. That may be naive and maybe it is, but that's my line of thinking. Just to be up against the gun, having to be prepared and well versed, having someone trying to make me lose, etc.

For the record, at dinner last night while I was talking with my friend, she said that her first case she was handed 90 documents some of them 400 pages long and had two days to prepare before she was in court. That gave me a huge brain boner. Stuff like that excites me.

something had to have gone horribly wrong for this to happen or she works for a firm that is irresponsible. or she is lying to you about how prepared she needed to be for court that day.

No, that crap happens on the reg. Now, crap definitely went horribly wrong, but it was probably before the firm got hired to deal with it (and by "you" i mean the partners who will get paid for your work)

Thats kind of what I was saying, but its more than that. It is a conscious decision to take on new work or a new client. If the firm decided to take on a case two days before trial (if it was in fact a trial) then they acted irresponsibly, imo. To expect an associate attorney to drop everything that they should be doing and concentrate wholly on nothing but one matter for a period of two days --a time frame that usually isn't adequate for anything complex-- and then effectively represent a client is putting your firm in a poor position, with a very sizable potential for recourse.

I considered not posting this, thinking it wasn't related to the topic at hand, but it is a fair example of some decisions that come alongside getting into law. Is that the type of practice you want to be involved in? There are various paths law allows an individual to travel, whether its being handed down files from 'big shots' and trap yourself in mounds of research or legal writing by joining a larger firm, engaging in a practice that allows you more control of your legal work, or utilizing your degree to pursue other oppy's like running a business.

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« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2013, 05:26:11 PM »
What do you want to do with your law degree?  I think that question has been overlooked.  If I were going into law school at this point, I would need to have a more specific goal than "be a lawyer."

I just want to be presented with challenges everyday and argue for them being solved. That may be naive and maybe it is, but that's my line of thinking. Just to be up against the gun, having to be prepared and well versed, having someone trying to make me lose, etc.

For the record, at dinner last night while I was talking with my friend, she said that her first case she was handed 90 documents some of them 400 pages long and had two days to prepare before she was in court. That gave me a huge brain boner. Stuff like that excites me.

something had to have gone horribly wrong for this to happen or she works for a firm that is irresponsible. or she is lying to you about how prepared she needed to be for court that day.

No, that crap happens on the reg. Now, crap definitely went horribly wrong, but it was probably before the firm got hired to deal with it (and by "you" i mean the partners who will get paid for your work)

Thats kind of what I was saying, but its more than that. It is a conscious decision to take on new work or a new client. If the firm decided to take on a case two days before trial (if it was in fact a trial) then they acted irresponsibly, imo. To expect an associate attorney to drop everything that they should be doing and concentrate wholly on nothing but one matter for a period of two days --a time frame that usually isn't adequate for anything complex-- and then effectively represent a client is putting your firm in a poor position, with a very sizable potential for recourse.

I considered not posting this, thinking it wasn't related to the topic at hand, but it is a fair example of some decisions that come alongside getting into law. Is that the type of practice you want to be involved in? There are various paths law allows an individual to travel, whether its being handed down files from 'big shots' and trap yourself in mounds of research or legal writing by joining a larger firm, engaging in a practice that allows you more control of your legal work, or utilizing your degree to pursue other oppy's like running a business.

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« Reply #110 on: January 30, 2013, 05:26:42 PM »
So I watched the video that Ging posted. I'm not a pussy, have already battled addiction issues and gotten over them, I'm 27 and not a kid, I know the job market is rough, I know what most law grads that get a job are making (less than an RN). My motivations are not heroic, I'm not out to save the world. I'm out to have a career that being intelligent and hard working and well spoken and not afraid of challenges will be traits that will help me succeed. I know that is general and could apply to many things, but I thrive on competition.

I guess that was a response to the video and the comments since I last posted.

why did you come ask for input on this decision if you had already accepted that it is a bad financial/career choice and were going to do it anyway?

Because I'm not afraid. I will succeed. I know what the gen pop can get out of law school. I don't see myself as average. I also feel that the attorneys on this board are successful individuals, and that's the company I feel I would find myself in. If I thought we had a bunch of pud, jobless, idiot lawyers here, I wouldn't have asked for input.

Not trying to be a dick but what the hell have you been up to for all these years?  You sound all smart and motivated etc but where was this 9 years ago?  You could already be one of these things or should be flying up the ranks in something else if you really are that good?

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Re: Law School
« Reply #115 on: January 30, 2013, 05:34:35 PM »
I considered not posting this, thinking it wasn't related to the topic at hand, but it is a fair example of some decisions that come alongside getting into law. Is that the type of practice you want to be involved in? There are various paths law allows an individual to travel, whether its being handed down files from 'big shots' and trap yourself in mounds of research or legal writing by joining a larger firm, engaging in a practice that allows you more control of your legal work, or utilizing your degree to pursue other oppy's like running a business.

I will say that my company(non law) is a shitshow in a lot of ways but I honestly kind of enjoy it and we make shitloads of money so who really cares. I don't have to read boring stuff, but I have to fix other people's messes (and my own) in short time frames and and get silly deadlines for things but I kind of thrive in that type of environment.


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« Reply #116 on: January 30, 2013, 05:34:58 PM »
my gf is getting her physical therapy degree from ku this spring.  three year program.  start making money right after you graduate.  in-demand field that will keep growing as the boomers get older.  daily duties = helping people stretch.  normal schedule, no overnight shifts.  rewarding field as you get to help people recover from traumatic injuries, learn to walk again, etc.  pull down $60-110k or so depending on experience of course.  wear scrubs (pajamas) to work every day.  pretty sweet gig.
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« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2013, 05:35:41 PM »
So I watched the video that Ging posted. I'm not a pussy, have already battled addiction issues and gotten over them, I'm 27 and not a kid, I know the job market is rough, I know what most law grads that get a job are making (less than an RN). My motivations are not heroic, I'm not out to save the world. I'm out to have a career that being intelligent and hard working and well spoken and not afraid of challenges will be traits that will help me succeed. I know that is general and could apply to many things, but I thrive on competition.

I guess that was a response to the video and the comments since I last posted.

why did you come ask for input on this decision if you had already accepted that it is a bad financial/career choice and were going to do it anyway?

Because I'm not afraid. I will succeed. I know what the gen pop can get out of law school. I don't see myself as average. I also feel that the attorneys on this board are successful individuals, and that's the company I feel I would find myself in. If I thought we had a bunch of pud, jobless, idiot lawyers here, I wouldn't have asked for input.

Not trying to be a dick but what the hell have you been up to for all these years?  You sound all smart and motivated etc but where was this 9 years ago?  You could already be one of these things or should be flying up the ranks in something else if you really are that good?

living life without a degree for a while can make you realize what you really want to do, and how to focus on it.  i know i certainly didn't have any focus at all 10 years ago.
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« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2013, 05:36:02 PM »
So I watched the video that Ging posted. I'm not a pussy, have already battled addiction issues and gotten over them, I'm 27 and not a kid, I know the job market is rough, I know what most law grads that get a job are making (less than an RN). My motivations are not heroic, I'm not out to save the world. I'm out to have a career that being intelligent and hard working and well spoken and not afraid of challenges will be traits that will help me succeed. I know that is general and could apply to many things, but I thrive on competition.

I guess that was a response to the video and the comments since I last posted.

why did you come ask for input on this decision if you had already accepted that it is a bad financial/career choice and were going to do it anyway?

Because I'm not afraid. I will succeed. I know what the gen pop can get out of law school. I don't see myself as average. I also feel that the attorneys on this board are successful individuals, and that's the company I feel I would find myself in. If I thought we had a bunch of pud, jobless, idiot lawyers here, I wouldn't have asked for input.

Not trying to be a dick but what the hell have you been up to for all these years?  You sound all smart and motivated etc but where was this 9 years ago?  You could already be one of these things or should be flying up the ranks in something else if you really are that good?

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Fair or not, he dug himself a big friggin hole by not figuring this crap out before you finished high school. Because you'll be competing for these rockstar positions with people who figured this crap out before they finished high school.

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« Reply #119 on: January 30, 2013, 05:44:23 PM »
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« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2013, 05:44:50 PM »
I considered not posting this, thinking it wasn't related to the topic at hand, but it is a fair example of some decisions that come alongside getting into law. Is that the type of practice you want to be involved in? There are various paths law allows an individual to travel, whether its being handed down files from 'big shots' and trap yourself in mounds of research or legal writing by joining a larger firm, engaging in a practice that allows you more control of your legal work, or utilizing your degree to pursue other oppy's like running a business.

I will say that my company(non law) is a shitshow in a lot of ways but I honestly kind of enjoy it and we make shitloads of money so who really cares. I don't have to read boring stuff, but I have to fix other people's messes (and my own) in short time frames and and get silly deadlines for things but I kind of thrive in that type of environment.

not saying I don't enjoy the hustle and bustle as much as the next guy, but i assume, and this is just a shot in the dark, you don't have the personal exposure that a lawyer would carry? also guessing there aren't near the ethical limitations placed upon attys. those types of things severely alter the way some decision can or should be made.
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« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2013, 05:49:15 PM »
So I watched the video that Ging posted. I'm not a pussy, have already battled addiction issues and gotten over them, I'm 27 and not a kid, I know the job market is rough, I know what most law grads that get a job are making (less than an RN). My motivations are not heroic, I'm not out to save the world. I'm out to have a career that being intelligent and hard working and well spoken and not afraid of challenges will be traits that will help me succeed. I know that is general and could apply to many things, but I thrive on competition.

I guess that was a response to the video and the comments since I last posted.

why did you come ask for input on this decision if you had already accepted that it is a bad financial/career choice and were going to do it anyway?

Because I'm not afraid. I will succeed. I know what the gen pop can get out of law school. I don't see myself as average. I also feel that the attorneys on this board are successful individuals, and that's the company I feel I would find myself in. If I thought we had a bunch of pud, jobless, idiot lawyers here, I wouldn't have asked for input.

Not trying to be a dick but what the hell have you been up to for all these years?  You sound all smart and motivated etc but where was this 9 years ago?  You could already be one of these things or should be flying up the ranks in something else if you really are that good?

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Fair or not, he dug himself a big friggin hole by not figuring this crap out before you finished high school. Because you'll be competing for these rockstar positions with people who figured this crap out before they finished high school.

It's been my experience that when someone spends as much time talking themselves up and telling you how ultra confident they are, as SK has done in this thread, then they usually aren't or at the very least the belief isn't grounded in reality.  It reads like he's trying to convince himself.  Nobody gives a eff how you see yourself, only how they see you.  What do you rough ridin' offer objectively.  I'm not afraid.  Get the eff out of here with that nonsense. 
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« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2013, 05:50:24 PM »
So I watched the video that Ging posted. I'm not a pussy, have already battled addiction issues and gotten over them, I'm 27 and not a kid, I know the job market is rough, I know what most law grads that get a job are making (less than an RN). My motivations are not heroic, I'm not out to save the world. I'm out to have a career that being intelligent and hard working and well spoken and not afraid of challenges will be traits that will help me succeed. I know that is general and could apply to many things, but I thrive on competition.

I guess that was a response to the video and the comments since I last posted.

why did you come ask for input on this decision if you had already accepted that it is a bad financial/career choice and were going to do it anyway?

Because I'm not afraid. I will succeed. I know what the gen pop can get out of law school. I don't see myself as average. I also feel that the attorneys on this board are successful individuals, and that's the company I feel I would find myself in. If I thought we had a bunch of pud, jobless, idiot lawyers here, I wouldn't have asked for input.

Not trying to be a dick but what the hell have you been up to for all these years?  You sound all smart and motivated etc but where was this 9 years ago?  You could already be one of these things or should be flying up the ranks in something else if you really are that good?

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Fair or not, he dug himself a big friggin hole by not figuring this crap out before you finished high school. Because you'll be competing for these rockstar positions with people who figured this crap out before they finished high school.

It's been my experience that when someone spends as much time talking themselves up and telling you how ultra confident they are, as SK has done in this thread, then they usually aren't or at the very least the belief isn't grounded in reality.  It reads like he's trying to convince himself.  Nobody gives a eff how you see yourself, only how they see you.  What do you rough ridin' offer objectively.  I'm not afraid.  Get the eff out of here with that nonsense.


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« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2013, 05:55:54 PM »
I considered not posting this, thinking it wasn't related to the topic at hand, but it is a fair example of some decisions that come alongside getting into law. Is that the type of practice you want to be involved in? There are various paths law allows an individual to travel, whether its being handed down files from 'big shots' and trap yourself in mounds of research or legal writing by joining a larger firm, engaging in a practice that allows you more control of your legal work, or utilizing your degree to pursue other oppy's like running a business.

I will say that my company(non law) is a shitshow in a lot of ways but I honestly kind of enjoy it and we make shitloads of money so who really cares. I don't have to read boring stuff, but I have to fix other people's messes (and my own) in short time frames and and get silly deadlines for things but I kind of thrive in that type of environment.

not saying I don't enjoy the hustle and bustle as the next guy, but i assume, and this is just a shot in the dark, you don't have the personal exposure that a lawyer would carry? also guessing there aren't near the ethical limitations placed upon attys. those types of things severely alter the way some decision can or should be made.

I really don't have personal exposure, that's what our legal department is for! ha! But really the associate thumbing through that crap doesn't have the "personal exposure" either.

And yeah, I have clear ethical implications all the time. sure, they're different from attorneys, but people can legitimately die if an engineer fucks up certain products. (I may not be sure exactly what you mean here)

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« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2013, 05:59:35 PM »
I considered not posting this, thinking it wasn't related to the topic at hand, but it is a fair example of some decisions that come alongside getting into law. Is that the type of practice you want to be involved in? There are various paths law allows an individual to travel, whether its being handed down files from 'big shots' and trap yourself in mounds of research or legal writing by joining a larger firm, engaging in a practice that allows you more control of your legal work, or utilizing your degree to pursue other oppy's like running a business.

I will say that my company(non law) is a shitshow in a lot of ways but I honestly kind of enjoy it and we make shitloads of money so who really cares. I don't have to read boring stuff, but I have to fix other people's messes (and my own) in short time frames and and get silly deadlines for things but I kind of thrive in that type of environment.

not saying I don't enjoy the hustle and bustle as the next guy, but i assume, and this is just a shot in the dark, you don't have the personal exposure that a lawyer would carry? also guessing there aren't near the ethical limitations placed upon attys. those types of things severely alter the way some decision can or should be made.

I really don't have personal exposure, that's what our legal department is for! ha! But really the associate thumbing through that crap doesn't have the "personal exposure" either.

And yeah, I have clear ethical implications all the time. sure, they're different from attorneys, but people can legitimately die if an engineer fucks up certain products. (I may not be sure exactly what you mean here)

definitely understand those type of ethical implications. talking specifically about malpractice exposure or repercussions (such as disbarment, fines, etc...) associated with violating ethical codes set forth by the bar association.