Fixing the Octagon.

[1863]

1) Bramlage is boxing in BSFS on the south side= more expense in next expansion & limited options

2) I said semi permanent on the court because I am well aware they remove it for graduation or special events. But its not removed every week or so.

3) Ahearn > Bramlage. Cheaper, has better seating size for fan base (lets be real here), better atmosphere, etc.

4) Rennos at Bramlage have typically cost 1.5 to 2x as much with $ ammts adjusted to 2013 dollars

5) Ahearn offers more flexibility for seating as well as promotional events with campus location and

6) Ahearn ties into the K-State 2025 Campus Master Plan better

7) A multi million dollar (think at least 15-20 million) rennovation/ expansion of the pool will happen

8) A multi million dollar (think at least 15- 20 million) rennovation of Bramlage will be needed

9) Ahearn has to be renovated around the same time as Bramlage will be rennovated out of necessity.


Obvs won't happen, Im aware of that, but the reason isn't happening isn't because its not the best option. In the long run would save money while maximizing usage of facilities (minus Bramlage obviously). But more money could be pumped out of BSFS and AF this way than Bramlage is capable of.

[pissclams]

there's nothing wrong with loving ahearn, it's just very accepted to GPC someone who brings it up

[ben ji]

1) Bramlage is boxing in BSFS on the south side= more expense in next expansion & limited options

2) I said semi permanent on the court because I am well aware they remove it for graduation or special events. But its not removed every week or so.

3) Ahearn > Bramlage. Cheaper, has better seating size for fan base (lets be real here), better atmosphere, etc.

4) Rennos at Bramlage have typically cost 1.5 to 2x as much with $ ammts adjusted to 2013 dollars

5) Ahearn offers more flexibility for seating as well as promotional events with campus location and

6) Ahearn ties into the K-State 2025 Campus Master Plan better

7) A multi million dollar (think at least 15-20 million) rennovation/ expansion of the pool will happen

8) A multi million dollar (think at least 15- 20 million) rennovation of Bramlage will be needed

9) Ahearn has to be renovated around the same time as Bramlage will be rennovated out of necessity.


Obvs won't happen, Im aware of that, but the reason isn't happening isn't because its not the best option. In the long run would save money while maximizing usage of facilities (minus Bramlage obviously). But more money could be pumped out of BSFS and AF this way than Bramlage is capable of.

GTFO if you want us to be TCU

[scottwildcat]

1) Bramlage is boxing in BSFS on the south side= more expense in next expansion & limited options

2) I said semi permanent on the court because I am well aware they remove it for graduation or special events. But its not removed every week or so.

3) Ahearn > Bramlage. Cheaper, has better seating size for fan base (lets be real here), better atmosphere, etc.

4) Rennos at Bramlage have typically cost 1.5 to 2x as much with $ ammts adjusted to 2013 dollars

5) Ahearn offers more flexibility for seating as well as promotional events with campus location and

6) Ahearn ties into the K-State 2025 Campus Master Plan better

7) A multi million dollar (think at least 15-20 million) rennovation/ expansion of the pool will happen

8) A multi million dollar (think at least 15- 20 million) rennovation of Bramlage will be needed

9) Ahearn has to be renovated around the same time as Bramlage will be rennovated out of necessity.


Obvs won't happen, Im aware of that, but the reason isn't happening isn't because its not the best option. In the long run would save money while maximizing usage of facilities (minus Bramlage obviously). But more money could be pumped out of BSFS and AF this way than Bramlage is capable of.

[1863]

1) Bramlage is boxing in BSFS on the south side= more expense in next expansion & limited options

2) I said semi permanent on the court because I am well aware they remove it for graduation or special events. But its not removed every week or so.

3) Ahearn > Bramlage. Cheaper, has better seating size for fan base (lets be real here), better atmosphere, etc.

4) Rennos at Bramlage have typically cost 1.5 to 2x as much with $ ammts adjusted to 2013 dollars

5) Ahearn offers more flexibility for seating as well as promotional events with campus location and

6) Ahearn ties into the K-State 2025 Campus Master Plan better

7) A multi million dollar (think at least 15-20 million) rennovation/ expansion of the pool will happen

8) A multi million dollar (think at least 15- 20 million) rennovation of Bramlage will be needed

9) Ahearn has to be renovated around the same time as Bramlage will be rennovated out of necessity.


Obvs won't happen, Im aware of that, but the reason isn't happening isn't because its not the best option. In the long run would save money while maximizing usage of facilities (minus Bramlage obviously). But more money could be pumped out of BSFS and AF this way than Bramlage is capable of.

GTFO if you want us to be TCU

With redone seating its maybe 1,000 to 1,500 seats less if done properly. Expansion would add more. I wish filling our stands was a problem. Dunno, I go to the games. Here is the other thing. How do we expand Bramlage? There isn't any room.

I guess renovations might help fill up the stands? Isn't really a proven or cost effective way to do things tho

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

1) Bramlage is boxing in BSFS on the south side= more expense in next expansion & limited options

2) I said semi permanent on the court because I am well aware they remove it for graduation or special events. But its not removed every week or so.

3) Ahearn > Bramlage. Cheaper, has better seating size for fan base (lets be real here), better atmosphere, etc.

4) Rennos at Bramlage have typically cost 1.5 to 2x as much with $ ammts adjusted to 2013 dollars

5) Ahearn offers more flexibility for seating as well as promotional events with campus location and

6) Ahearn ties into the K-State 2025 Campus Master Plan better

7) A multi million dollar (think at least 15-20 million) rennovation/ expansion of the pool will happen

8) A multi million dollar (think at least 15- 20 million) rennovation of Bramlage will be needed

9) Ahearn has to be renovated around the same time as Bramlage will be rennovated out of necessity.


Obvs won't happen, Im aware of that, but the reason isn't happening isn't because its not the best option. In the long run would save money while maximizing usage of facilities (minus Bramlage obviously). But more money could be pumped out of BSFS and AF this way than Bramlage is capable of.

GTFO if you want us to be TCU

With redone seating its maybe 1,000 to 1,500 seats less if done properly. Expansion would add more. I wish filling our stands was a problem. Dunno, I go to the games. Here is the other thing. How do we expand Bramlage? There isn't any room.

I guess renovations might help fill up the stands? Isn't really a proven or cost effective way to do things tho

just raise the roof and make the seats straight up and down like OSU

[kso_FAN]

KSU is never playing a game in that old building again and I'm fine with that. Now, if you're talking tear that outdated thing down and build a new arena I might listen. But that makes about as much sense.

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

am I the only one that likes Bramlage?

[kso_FAN]

am I the only one that likes Bramlage?

I think the Octagon of Doom is great.

[1863]

KSU is never playing a game in that old building again and I'm fine with that. Now, if you're talking tear that outdated thing down and build a new arena I might listen. But that makes about as much sense.

When it comes time to do major renovations I don't think they should close the door on this. They didn't for Ahearn. Bramlage was built for a different time, at a different time. If they find that renovation is the best cost effective way to bring it into line with current standards then do that (while keeping a view to necessities at BSFS to the north).

am I the only one that likes Bramlage?

I like Bramlage alright. Have lots of great memories there. Just think we can do better.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So, we're getting a new scoreboard???

[ArchE_Cat]

Ahearn will never happen. To meet all required building and accessibility codes would be an outrageous expense. Its not even close to the best option financially.  Bramlage is in no way boxing in BSFS. Now that we have the basketball training facility, tearing the roof off of Bramlage is actually a viable option. Take the roof off, complete overhaul of concourses, connect with BSFS expansion, add upper level, and then put on new roof structure.

Some of that work could be done during basketball season. As soon as bball is done, rip the old roof structure off and easily complete the new roof structure before the next bball season starts. Probably have 80% of new seating and amenities done as well.

[1863]

Ahearn will never happen. To meet all required building and accessibility codes would be an outrageous expense. Its not even close to the best option financially.  Bramlage is in no way boxing in BSFS. Now that we have the basketball training facility, tearing the roof off of Bramlage is actually a viable option. Take the roof off, complete overhaul of concourses, connect with BSFS expansion, add upper level, and then put on new roof structure.

Some of that work could be done during basketball season. As soon as bball is done, rip the old roof structure off and easily complete the new roof structure before the next bball season starts. Probably have 80% of new seating and amenities done as well.

Now that is really $$. It isnt Gallagher Iba Arena. At that point they should possibly think about a new arena. They really need to make sure that they plan out any major renovations with whoever is doing the south end otherwise it will end up like crap and not work to boot.

[SkinnyBenny]

Ahearn will never happen. To meet all required building and accessibility codes would be an outrageous expense. Its not even close to the best option financially.  Bramlage is in no way boxing in BSFS. Now that we have the basketball training facility, tearing the roof off of Bramlage is actually a viable option. Take the roof off, complete overhaul of concourses, connect with BSFS expansion, add upper level, and then put on new roof structure.

Some of that work could be done during basketball season. As soon as bball is done, rip the old roof structure off and easily complete the new roof structure before the next bball season starts. Probably have 80% of new seating and amenities done as well.

Gallagher Iba was comically empty tonight to watch their #11 team play Texas. Just a fwiw.

Now that is really $$. It isnt Gallagher Iba Arena. At that point they should possibly think about a new arena. They really need to make sure that they plan out any major renovations with whoever is doing the south end otherwise it will end up like crap and not work to boot.

[kslim]

that "why dont you post more thread" is responsible for the last two days

 

[ben ji]

that "why dont you post more thread" is responsible for the last two days

 

buncha browns running around witch scissors

[Tobias]

buncha browns running around witch scissors

[scottwildcat]

Ahearn will never happen. To meet all required building and accessibility codes would be an outrageous expense. Its not even close to the best option financially.  Bramlage is in no way boxing in BSFS. Now that we have the basketball training facility, tearing the roof off of Bramlage is actually a viable option. Take the roof off, complete overhaul of concourses, connect with BSFS expansion, add upper level, and then put on new roof structure.

Some of that work could be done during basketball season. As soon as bball is done, rip the old roof structure off and easily complete the new roof structure before the next bball season starts. Probably have 80% of new seating and amenities done as well.

Now that is really $$. It isnt Gallagher Iba Arena. At that point they should possibly think about a new arena. They really need to make sure that they plan out any major renovations with whoever is doing the south end otherwise it will end up like crap and not work to boot.

[mocat]

that "why dont you post more thread" is responsible for the last two days

 

buncha browns running around witch scissors

easy katdaddy

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I like the Bram. The seating configuration is not the best, aisles are too wide, the tunnel/tarp sucks, the court needs to be refinished, and it would be nice to have more suites, but overall, it's a pretty good venue for basketball. It's loud. I don't mind the concourses - I spend very little time up there.

As for the Bram "crowding" the SEZ of BSFS, that's stupid. We're never in the life of those facilities going to add a full upper deck in the SEZ akin to what we've got on the East Side. The proximity of the buildings does, however, provide lots of interesting opportunities to connect them with a shared concourse, suites, hall of fame, etc.

It would be nice if the facilities were a bit closer to the main campus, but overall we've got a pretty good complex.

[puniraptor]

I love the octagon, it's all I know.

except the video board of course which is a real piece of Batt BcKee

[slobber]

Here is how you expand the (f?)OOD:

You put some hi-tech chairs in that people have to board from the top. Once the are in position, they pull a harness down over the top of their shoulders to strap themselves in. Then, they push a button and they are automatically transported via some sort of pully/conveyer system to their position directly above the floor. As they move into their final position, the seat is tilted forward at about a 60 degree angle and they get to boo from directly overhead of the two toned floor.

That would fix the eff out of the OOD.



Better idea than anything 1863 mentioned?

[MadCat]

Here is how you expand the (f?)OOD:

You put some hi-tech chairs in that people have to board from the top. Once the are in position, they pull a harness down over the top of their shoulders to strap themselves in. Then, they push a button and they are automatically transported via some sort of pully/conveyer system to their position directly above the floor. As they move into their final position, the seat is tilted forward at about a 60 degree angle and they get to boo from directly overhead of the two toned floor.

That would fix the eff out of the OOD.



Better idea than anything 1863 mentioned?

Thunderdome

[Belvis Noland]

I like the Bram. The seating configuration is not the best, aisles are too wide, the tunnel/tarp sucks, the court needs to be refinished, and it would be nice to have more suites, but overall, it's a pretty good venue for basketball. It's loud. I don't mind the concourses - I spend very little time up there.

As for the Bram "crowding" the SEZ of BSFS, that's stupid. We're never in the life of those facilities going to add a full upper deck in the SEZ akin to what we've got on the East Side. The proximity of the buildings does, however, provide lots of interesting opportunities to connect them with a shared concourse, suites, hall of fame, etc.

It would be nice if the facilities were a bit closer to the main campus, but overall we've got a pretty good complex.

All of this.  Functionally, OOD is fine.  But, like all elite things in MHK, an aesthetic facelift will occur in due time.  Shared concourse, party porch thing overlooking BSFS would be awesome.  Considering we already direct foot traffic through the OOD North Concourse on football gameday, makes even more sense to make it pedestrian friendly.  hall of fame, lounge area where fans can get out of the heat/cold etc.

then factor in the hotel on the SW corner of BSFS...    

[slobber]

Here is how you expand the (f?)OOD:

You put some hi-tech chairs in that people have to board from the top. Once the are in position, they pull a harness down over the top of their shoulders to strap themselves in. Then, they push a button and they are automatically transported via some sort of pully/conveyer system to their position directly above the floor. As they move into their final position, the seat is tilted forward at about a 60 degree angle and they get to boo from directly overhead of the two toned floor.

That would fix the eff out of the OOD.



Better idea than anything 1863 mentioned?

Thunderdome

OTOD?