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« Reply #125 on: January 18, 2013, 09:09:47 AM »
It’s not that assistants are leaving it’s (a) why are they leaving and (b) who are their replacements.  These two issues are two of the many reasons I though bringing back Snyder was a mistake. 

To answer (a) Partly, he simply drives them out because he doesn’t compensate them for their work - if you create an awful/tough environment to work then you have to compensate accordingly (i.e. if you’re hiring for an accounting job in the Artic, you kind of have to pay them more than you would if you are hiring them in Kansas).  Snyder’s restrictions on recruiting are absurd.  Simply absurd.  And, I mean, you had to see this coming, right?  You can’t possibly imagine that coaches who know their job will end aren’t going to jump when they can control where they land.  This just another inherent problem with “calm the waters”.   

(b) he has always done a terrible job at this, thus leading to the slow, eventual death of the program (i.e. bob > mikey > venzy > gush > elliott).   It appears that he hasn’t learned anything, other than he took some time to watch Urban Meyer’s offense.   

But hey, we got a conference championship out of it, so it was worth it.  However, we will be in the exact same spot as we were last time, only when Bill hangs ‘em up  again the point/thought that only LHC Bill Snyder (or someone that “knows” LHC Bill Snyder’s ways) can win at KSU will be cemented in everyone’s minds as Currie runs to Dallas to hire Ron Zook.

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« Reply #126 on: January 18, 2013, 09:10:14 AM »
The weird thing is the timing. Generally in the past coaches have either left right after the season or waited until after signing day. Its strange for two former K-State guys to leave, but really strange for them to leave now when it could still mess up recruiting, especially for lateral moves.

Self preservation. 


I think Bill is gone.

Yeah. They either had to be really ticked at someone (Bill?) or they know he's gone. And I agree that gone seems more likely.

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« Reply #127 on: January 18, 2013, 09:10:41 AM »
The weird thing is the timing. Generally in the past coaches have either left right after the season or waited until after signing day. Its strange for two former K-State guys to leave, but really strange for them to leave now when it could still mess up recruiting, especially for lateral moves.

Self preservation. 


I think Bill is gone.

This I agree with. Also interesting is either means that they don't want to work with the next HC (Bill is picking him) or they think Currie is going to clean house.
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« Reply #128 on: January 18, 2013, 09:11:44 AM »
WHO IS READY FOR crap SHOW?


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« Reply #129 on: January 18, 2013, 09:12:24 AM »
The weird thing is the timing. Generally in the past coaches have either left right after the season or waited until after signing day. Its strange for two former K-State guys to leave, but really strange for them to leave now when it could still mess up recruiting, especially for lateral moves.

Self preservation. 


I think Bill is gone.

Yeah. They either had to be really ticked at someone (Bill?) or they know he's gone. And I agree that gone seems more likely.

Could be pissed at Currie?
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« Reply #130 on: January 18, 2013, 09:12:40 AM »
The weird thing is the timing. Generally in the past coaches have either left right after the season or waited until after signing day. Its strange for two former K-State guys to leave, but really strange for them to leave now when it could still mess up recruiting, especially for lateral moves.

Self preservation. 


I think Bill is gone.

This I agree with. Also interesting is either means that they don't want to work with the next HC (Bill is picking him) or they think Currie is going to clean house.

They both left for solid ground.  Low risk, good return.

House cleaning had to be on their minds.

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« Reply #131 on: January 18, 2013, 09:13:33 AM »
remember when everybody had a theory about what was going on? lmao

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« Reply #132 on: January 18, 2013, 09:14:42 AM »

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« Reply #133 on: January 18, 2013, 09:14:56 AM »
WHO IS READY FOR crap SHOW?



If its Sean, yeah. The more I think about Sean, the worse it gets.

I think Dimel could likely keep a good staff together, and he's hired a staff. Hayes might leave because he probably wants the HC spot too, but maybe not because he's really old.

But Sean, I think both Dimel AND Hayes are pissed and leave. And then probably the rest of the staff. Then its Sean trying to hire a staff, and that gets scary. I don't think there are a ton of good assistants out there that have a high amount of respect for Sean as a HC or would want to work for him.

I mean, Sean is probably worse than Prince.

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« Reply #134 on: January 18, 2013, 09:15:49 AM »
The weird thing is the timing. Generally in the past coaches have either left right after the season or waited until after signing day. Its strange for two former K-State guys to leave, but really strange for them to leave now when it could still mess up recruiting, especially for lateral moves.

Self preservation. 


I think Bill is gone.

Yeah. They either had to be really ticked at someone (Bill?) or they know he's gone. And I agree that gone seems more likely.

Could be pissed at Currie?

Should we be :ohno: ???

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« Reply #135 on: January 18, 2013, 09:16:04 AM »
Why does this feel like the part in the movie when we learn something honorable about the hero's past that makes him look like an bad person, and everyone turns on him.

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« Reply #136 on: January 18, 2013, 09:19:34 AM »
it really could be that they were sick of working for snyder. regardless of what his retirement plan/status is.

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« Reply #137 on: January 18, 2013, 09:21:00 AM »
there is no effing way sean gets the hc job without snyder being the ad.  no way.

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« Reply #138 on: January 18, 2013, 09:21:30 AM »
it really could be that they were sick of working for snyder. regardless of what his retirement plan/status is.

Would believe that if they had not signed up for the 2.0 version. They knew what they were getting into.
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« Reply #139 on: January 18, 2013, 09:23:14 AM »
JC could be forcing the issue. The 'cats are getting a tone of love for the Webster hire. JC might see that he should strike while the iron is hot. Try to force a few changes so that Snyder says eff it and retires. JC goes out and makes his home run hire and then moves on to the next decent SEC job.

Plausible?

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« Reply #140 on: January 18, 2013, 09:23:38 AM »
it really could be that they were sick of working for snyder. regardless of what his retirement plan/status is.

Would believe that if they had not signed up for the 2.0 version. They knew what they were getting into.

The only 2 logical answers are
A) They asked for raises and were mushed by ob and or currie

B) Snyds says, this is it and I'm recommending sean or Snyds says this is it and Currie makes it known he's not hiring the next guy from staff.

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« Reply #141 on: January 18, 2013, 09:26:12 AM »
Why does this feel like the part in the movie when we learn something honorable about the hero's past that makes him look like an bad person, and everyone turns on him.

We all know the past already.  Bill works his assistants into the ground and he/his boss pays them less than others offer for working fewer hours and not micromanaging every minute of their day.  Bill's system works for the program in the long run.  It doesn't work well for the assistants in the long run.  At least will Bill you think he's doing what's best for the program, even if he loses some people.  The problem now is on top of the micromanaging, they also have Bill's boss trying to be the best junior detective he can be to fix his image after he got Pearl'd.  There are now two public pieces of data for this.  Currie's not worried about what's best for the program, but for his resume for the SEC. 

There doesn't need to be somethign we need to learn to explain the two defections.  We already know enough. 
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« Reply #142 on: January 18, 2013, 09:26:38 AM »
WHO IS READY FOR crap SHOW?



If its Sean, yeah. The more I think about Sean, the worse it gets.

I think Dimel could likely keep a good staff together, and he's hired a staff. Hayes might leave because he probably wants the HC spot too, but maybe not because he's really old.

But Sean, I think both Dimel AND Hayes are pissed and leave. And then probably the rest of the staff. Then its Sean trying to hire a staff, and that gets scary. I don't think there are a ton of good assistants out there that have a high amount of respect for Sean as a HC or would want to work for him.

I mean, Sean is probably worse than Prince.

Every time I think of Sean as the next HC, I think to myself how absurd that is.  If someone with Sean’s resume was being hired but he was from, let’s say Virginia Tech, you’d laugh, right?  It’d be absurd.  And then I think, well, if I told you that a LB from Notre Dame who was up for the Heisman made up a story about having a gf who died, you’d think that was absurd too.

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« Reply #143 on: January 18, 2013, 09:26:40 AM »
there is no effing way sean gets the hc job without snyder being the ad.  no way.

Keep Currie but no Sean.

Get rid of Currie but get Sean.

It's an EMAW nightmare.
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« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2013, 09:28:14 AM »
Could be a couple of things, I guess...

1. Smith and Clements realize that they aren't going to be coordinators under Snyder any time soon, therefore, they're getting out of Dodge to further their careers.

2. Smith and Clements realize that Snyder won't be around much longer (1 or 2 years) and decided to take lateral moves (for more pay) at big time programs because there is no guarantee of a job after he leaves.  Not a bad preemptive move for either of them.

3. Snyder is retiring now and everyone is getting the eff out.

My money is on #2.

Also, Jon Beasley will probably get the nod as WR coach.

i haven't read past page two but there are already multiple beasley mentions. beasley hated it here when he was a coach and was begging everybody he knew to get him a job outside of coaching. absolutely no way that he's coming back. now i'll read the other four pages.

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« Reply #145 on: January 18, 2013, 09:29:49 AM »
Why does this feel like the part in the movie when we learn something honorable about the hero's past that makes him look like an bad person, and everyone turns on him.

We all know the past already.  Bill works his assistants into the ground and he/his boss pays them less than others offer for working fewer hours and not micromanaging every minute of their day.  Bill's system works for the program in the long run.  It doesn't work well for the assistants in the long run.  At least will Bill you think he's doing what's best for the program, even if he loses some people.  The problem now is on top of the micromanaging, they also have Bill's boss trying to be the best junior detective he can be to fix his image after he got Pearl'd.  There are now two public pieces of data for this.  Currie's not worried about what's best for the program, but for his resume for the SEC. 

There doesn't need to be somethign we need to learn to explain the two defections.  We already know enough.

The best thing for Currie's resume is to bring the the most high profile attention getting coach he can. Would that not be good for the program?
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« Reply #146 on: January 18, 2013, 09:30:03 AM »
Burnouts.  ppl just can't do that time for very long.

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« Reply #147 on: January 18, 2013, 09:31:45 AM »
it really could be that they were sick of working for snyder. regardless of what his retirement plan/status is.

Would believe that if they had not signed up for the 2.0 version. They knew what they were getting into.

Did they have any other options?  They probably thought Bill would be successful in 2.0.  If you don't have another job offer, you go back to your previous boss that worked you into the ground with the plan of building your resume back up and leaving again.  If you can a) make $180,000 for 4 years working your ass off and rebuilding your resume, then getting a pay raise or b)make $120,000 at a lesser program hoping in 4 years you can get back at a place that pays $180,000...you take option a.  You really take option a if you are JBC with 4 kids. 
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« Reply #148 on: January 18, 2013, 09:32:49 AM »
Multiple staff members were approached by other schools this offseason and K-State gave them raises to stay. JBC and MS didn't leave because of K-State's unwillingness to pay.

Sean will not be the head coach as long as Currie is the AD.

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« Reply #149 on: January 18, 2013, 09:33:13 AM »
It’s not that assistants are leaving it’s (a) why are they leaving and (b) who are their replacements. 
Texas Christian University coach Gary Patterson has been hired as Kansas State's 34th football coach, multiple sources have confirmed to GoPowercat.com.  Patterson replaces Ron Prince, who was fired Wednesday. - Tim Fitzgerald   Nov, 7, 2008