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Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 3-3-13 (regular season adv stats)
« Reply #175 on: March 06, 2013, 09:01:30 AM »
Full Big 12 update will be up tomorrow after tonight's games, but nobody thought this team would maintain the shooting we saw early in Big 12 play. Yet, here we sit with the most efficient offense in the league (1.13 PPP) and the 2nd best shooting team in the league (53.2%). Best 3PT% team (39.2%) and 2nd best 2PT% team (50.1%) with the 3rd best TO% (17.6%) and OR% improved drastically to 3rd (34.5%). FT rate is not impressive, but it really didn't need to be as oscar turned this into a jump shooting team that makes a lot of them.

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« Reply #176 on: March 06, 2013, 09:48:28 AM »
Also, after a game in which we assisted 87% of our made shots, the Cats moved their Big 12 A% to 67.4%.

And then I saw this quote:

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"Coach has a phrase for us and he says, 'Share the juices,'" Irving said. "We have all been saying with it and joke around with it, but we're at our best when we're passing the ball to each other, assisting, moving without the ball, getting Rodney open and just share the juices."

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Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 3-3-13 (regular season adv stats)
« Reply #177 on: March 06, 2013, 11:09:05 AM »
So, this far into the season, you are who you are and therefore we are whatever our stats say we are (really efficient on offense, not so efficient on defense). I’m rather shocked it has kept up like this offensively.  I expect the ball to go in when we shoot (wish we were in better position for rebounds – the emphasis seems to be only where the shot comes from and not on where we’re at for the rebound).  And defensively, I’ve come to look at it similar to how I looked at our defense in football – I never thought we have/had a really good defense, I thought we had an offense that by its efficient nature scored big (touchdowns instead of FG’s, 3’s instead of 2’s) when it needed to and limited possessions of the other team (turnovers, TO rate) contributing to our defense’s raw numbers.

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« Reply #178 on: March 06, 2013, 02:33:16 PM »
So we are 2nd best in the league with 50.1% from 2pt?   Pretty good.   That's a stat that sometimes gets lost in the shuffle at times. 

Us shooting 50% from 2 and 40% from 3 .... any game we do this, we will be tough to beat   

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« Reply #179 on: March 06, 2013, 02:54:20 PM »
Shares Juice oscar!!

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Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 3-3-13 (regular season adv stats)
« Reply #180 on: March 07, 2013, 10:19:09 AM »

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« Reply #181 on: March 07, 2013, 10:27:32 AM »
I know I shouldn't care  as much because we do other things really well on offense, but that FTR is abysmal  :frown:

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« Reply #182 on: March 07, 2013, 10:33:38 AM »
I know I shouldn't care  as much because we do other things really well on offense, but that FTR is abysmal  :frown:

Its fine if his system works and we hit jumpers (especially 3s) and don't turn the ball over.

If the system doesn't work... see 08, 10, and 12 at Illinois. Its no coincidence that those were his 3 worst 3PT shooting teams.

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« Reply #183 on: March 07, 2013, 10:43:01 AM »
Full Big 12 update will be up tomorrow after tonight's games, but nobody thought this team would maintain the shooting we saw early in Big 12 play. Yet, here we sit with the most efficient offense in the league (1.13 PPP) and the 2nd best shooting team in the league (53.2%). Best 3PT% team (39.2%) and 2nd best 2PT% team (50.1%) with the 3rd best TO% (17.6%) and OR% improved drastically to 3rd (34.5%). FT rate is not impressive, but it really didn't need to be as oscar turned this into a jump shooting team that makes a lot of them.

will being hurt and unable to shoot the past few games certainly helped.

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Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 3-7-13 (regular season adv stats)
« Reply #184 on: March 07, 2013, 10:51:24 AM »
FWIW.


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« Reply #185 on: March 07, 2013, 11:00:03 AM »
I mean, this is just a super weird resume with all kinds of strange trends.  Glad we're winning though.

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« Reply #186 on: March 07, 2013, 11:08:33 AM »
look at the FTR when they went 37-2  :sdeek:

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« Reply #187 on: March 07, 2013, 11:18:09 AM »
look at the FTR when they went 37-2  :sdeek:

Yeah, that makes me feel a little better.

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« Reply #188 on: March 07, 2013, 11:25:59 AM »
That is a great chart, SleepFighter.  I did not know KenPom did that.  I should probably give him some of my money. 
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« Reply #189 on: March 07, 2013, 11:28:15 AM »
That is a great chart, SleepFighter.  I did not know KenPom did that.  I should probably give him some of my money. 

His stuff is great.

I took my chart from his and simplified it. Its simplistic, but I thought the correlation of 3PT% and TO% to winning and losing with oscar is pretty telling.

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« Reply #190 on: March 07, 2013, 11:35:02 AM »
look at the FTR when they went 37-2  :sdeek:

Yeah, that makes me feel a little better.

That team was so goddamn fun to watch.  They were a rough ridin' machine on offense.  Each possession they just ground the defense down.  They didn't give a crap who took the shot, just that it was the best shot.  So patient. 

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« Reply #191 on: March 07, 2013, 11:43:30 AM »
look at the FTR when they went 37-2  :sdeek:

Yeah, that makes me feel a little better.

That team was so goddamn fun to watch.  They were a rough ridin' machine on offense.  Each possession they just ground the defense down.  They didn't give a crap who took the shot, just that it was the best shot.  So patient. 



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« Reply #192 on: March 07, 2013, 11:56:00 AM »
That is a great chart, SleepFighter.  I did not know KenPom did that.  I should probably give him some of my money.

There's really not much on his site that you can't find other places, but the way he puts it together is really great. 

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« Reply #193 on: March 07, 2013, 11:59:56 AM »
Considering the makeup of this team when he took over, if you would have told me that this was going to be oscar's worst defensive team since he was at Southern Illinois, I would have been convinced that we would struggle to make the NIT.

And yet, here we are, in position to get a conference trophy with one game left in the season.

My mind boggles.

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« Reply #194 on: March 07, 2013, 12:02:33 PM »
Considering the makeup of this team when he took over, if you would have told me that this was going to be oscar's worst defensive team since he was at Southern Illinois, I would have been convinced that we would struggle to make the NIT.

And yet, here we are, in position to get a conference trophy with one game left in the season.

My mind boggles.

Yes, completely. To win with Frank's players is one thing, but to take them from a chew your face off defensive and oboarding team to an efficient offense with defensive issues and still be successful is pretty amazing. I don't know if it says anything good or bad for the future, but it has been a strange (but fun) transition to watch.

But when you win, almost anything is fun.

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« Reply #195 on: March 07, 2013, 12:08:25 PM »
It's not just the transition, but also there doesn't appear to be precedent for it in oscar's resume.

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« Reply #196 on: March 07, 2013, 12:13:10 PM »
It's not just the transition, but also there doesn't appear to be precedent for it in oscar's resume.

He used to talk a lot at Illinois about how much time they spent practicing defense at the expense of offense, and there were even occasions where he made statements about not really having "put the offense in yet" and it would be very late in the ooc schedule.  Maybe he allocated more of his time on offense with this group than he ordinarily would have relying perhaps on residual JYC/Frank tenacity carry over and it cost him a bit in their grasp and execution of it in the long run as the tenacity waned sans Frank.  It's a theory.
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« Reply #197 on: March 07, 2013, 12:42:42 PM »
Full Big 12 update will be up tomorrow after tonight's games, but nobody thought this team would maintain the shooting we saw early in Big 12 play. Yet, here we sit with the most efficient offense in the league (1.13 PPP) and the 2nd best shooting team in the league (53.2%). Best 3PT% team (39.2%) and 2nd best 2PT% team (50.1%) with the 3rd best TO% (17.6%) and OR% improved drastically to 3rd (34.5%). FT rate is not impressive, but it really didn't need to be as oscar turned this into a jump shooting team that makes a lot of them.

will being hurt and unable to shoot the past few games certainly helped.

Not sure how Will being hurt helped. Prior to Baylor game, in the previous 13 games Will was 60.8 eFG% and 44.0% from 3pt.

What is impressive is we had a bad TO game against WV, we had a poor shooting 3pt game vs Tech, and only shot 7 FTs vs Tcu and our ppp was still real good in those 3 gms.

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Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 3-7-13 (regular season adv stats)
« Reply #198 on: March 10, 2013, 02:52:19 PM »
Final regular season numbers for 2012-13.


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Re: Big 12 Efficiency and Four Factors 3-7-13 (regular season adv stats)
« Reply #199 on: March 10, 2013, 02:56:09 PM »
Ended the season tied for creating the most turnovers, and turning it over the second least. That'll win you the league.
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