KU -10.5 to Baylor :eek: What do we know about the Big 12?

[CNS]

Texas is a tough one.  I mean, if they were us, I would be super pissed.  But since they are Texas, do they even care?  I mean, this isn't swim team.

[kso_FAN]

ISU is happy with mediocrity.  They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.

To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.

[CNS]

ISU is happy with mediocrity.  They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.

To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.

Marcus Fizer isn't walking through that door.

[Dr Rick Daris]

clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.

i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping.   at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.

ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.

thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly.   that's my point.

oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.

[ChiComCat]

ISU is happy with mediocrity.  They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.

To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.

I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever.  But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world.  If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"

[kso_FAN]

ISU is happy with mediocrity.  They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.

To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.

I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever.  But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world.  If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"

Good point.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

ISU is happy with mediocrity.  They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.

To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.

I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever.  But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world.  If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"

Good point.

Fred is building a monster. Gonna be really scary in a couple of years. 

[CNS]

ISU is happy with mediocrity.  They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.

To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.

I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever.  But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world.  If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"

On the other hand, if Fred doesnt do much more, it will be easy for them to attribute it to Royce.

[pissclams]

clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.

i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping.   at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.

ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.

thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly.   that's my point.

oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.

no that wasn't my point either.  but you seem to struggle with these kinds of things and i'm not going to try to explain it. gotcha.

[Unruly]

ISU had everything falling last year against us with that Christopher kid or whatever.

Dude had like 53 3 pointers or something silly like that. 

[wabash909]

Nothing leads me to believe we can't and should not finish ahead of OU, OSU, ISU, Baylor.

OU is tough and dangerous when Pledger is on.
ISU is a nice squad and much more athletic than I originally gave them credit for, but lacking a go to player like they had in Royce White.
OSU has the talent and upside, but the shittiest coaching.
Baylor has the most talent, but is the most unpredictable.

We also are not going to lose four games to OU and ISU this year, assuming we can hold Pledger to less than 35 points in both of our games (unlike last season).

[Pete]

We also are not going to lose four games to OU and ISU this year, assuming we can hold Pledger to less than 35 points in both of our games (unlike last season).

Less than a week until we get the first test of this theory....I AM NERVOUS!

[wabash909]

Going 0-4 against the Pokes and Clones last year was weird and flukey, mostly due to Stephen Pledger and the Arian sharpshooter having career highlight games. 

I think we most likely split the series with both schools, and possibly steal one at one of their places.  I feel better about sweeping OU, though.

[Dr Rick Daris]

clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.

i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping.   at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.

ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.

thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly.   that's my point.

oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.

no that wasn't my point either.  but you seem to struggle with these kinds of things and i'm not going to try to explain it. gotcha.

ok. it seemed like your point was that people are overvaluing isu because everything was dropping for them in the ku game when in fact isu just shot their average for the year in that game. doesn't seem like you want to talk anymore about it or clarify it though so i'll drop it. have a good day!

[pissclams]

clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.

i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping.   at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.

ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.

thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly.   that's my point.

oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.

no that wasn't my point either.  but you seem to struggle with these kinds of things and i'm not going to try to explain it. gotcha.

ok. it seemed like your point was that people are overvaluing isu because everything was dropping for them in the ku game when in fact isu just shot their average for the year in that game. doesn't seem like you want to talk anymore about it or clarify it though so i'll drop it. have a good day!

gotcha

[Cartierfor3]

If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st? 

[deputy dawg]

Fred is building a monster. Gonna be really scary in a couple of years. 

Could be.  Depends if the Mayor ever runs out of transfer talent to recruit.  I mean, seriously, won't he have to recruit high school players at some point?

[Powercat Posse]

I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home.  Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.

It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th

[BWebbs0]

I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home.  Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.

It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th

I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.

[wetwillie]

I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home.  Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.

It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th

I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.

Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying

[Rage Against the McKee]

If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st?

No.

[Pete]

I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home.  Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.

It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th

I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.

Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying

Yep.  Lon and Bill are the two rough ridin' pelts I desire most.

[EMAWzified]

If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st?

Fourth, although they'd likely beat KU at home.

[ChiComCat]

I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home.  Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.

It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th

I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.

Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying

Yep.  Lon and Bill are the two rough ridin' pelts I desire most.

Drew would be satisfying for me (and sys)

[pissclams]

ya 3 major pelts in drew, bill, and lon.
i don't think anything would be sweeter for oscar than to nail bill's pelt to the wall though.  he prob loves drew.