since whitlock called the nra racist...

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

There are demographics for gun owners if you want to look at that. Not too shocking.

[star seed 7]

everyone shut up and appreciate chum1's post.  nailed it.

[TBL]

There are demographics for gun owners if you want to look at that. Not too shocking.

Would the responses have been different if the question was phrased, "Do you have a gun"?

 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I don't think the statement was bad because he was saying something about Obama or Hillary. I think it was bad because it looks an awful lot like he was saying something about any black or woman president.

Only if you're stupid and looking for a grievance. He wasn't criticizing race or gender per se - he was criticizing "The FIRST" derangement syndrome, which causes its victims to abandon all reason and simply vote for the sake of "The FIRST." How is that not apparent?

Did I "nail it" seven?

[star seed 7]

no, as dax would say "you're flailing, and it's . . .  sad





really"

[chum1]

I don't think the statement was bad because he was saying something about Obama or Hillary. I think it was bad because it looks an awful lot like he was saying something about any black or woman president.

Only if you're stupid and looking for a grievance. He wasn't criticizing race or gender per se - he was criticizing "The FIRST" derangement syndrome, which causes its victims to abandon all reason and simply vote for the sake of "The FIRST." How is that not apparent?

That's one interpretation. There are others, equally plausible. But you know how at your job they tell you that you can get fired for sexual harassment or the even the mere appearance of sexual harassment? Appearances matter. And his statement was bad because, to many, it makes him look like a sexist, racist eff (that, let's be honest, he probably is).

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I don't think the statement was bad because he was saying something about Obama or Hillary. I think it was bad because it looks an awful lot like he was saying something about any black or woman president.

Only if you're stupid and looking for a grievance. He wasn't criticizing race or gender per se - he was criticizing "The FIRST" derangement syndrome, which causes its victims to abandon all reason and simply vote for the sake of "The FIRST." How is that not apparent?

That's one interpretation. There are others, equally plausible.

No, there aren't. There's the correct interpretation based on logic and common sense, and then there's stupid grievance mongering. But no point in arguing it further. People will choose to misinterpret him if that fits their preconception and desire for a grievance.

[puniraptor]

Can a bought and paid for automaton be a racist, sexist eff?

[bubbles4ksu]

"40-odd demographically-similar presidents is enough" might result in someone being accused as a racist or sexist

[bubbles4ksu]

Can a bought and paid for automaton be a racist, sexist eff?

they'll fight tooth and nail to defend this lobbyist guy

[chum1]

I don't think the statement was bad because he was saying something about Obama or Hillary. I think it was bad because it looks an awful lot like he was saying something about any black or woman president.

Only if you're stupid and looking for a grievance. He wasn't criticizing race or gender per se - he was criticizing "The FIRST" derangement syndrome, which causes its victims to abandon all reason and simply vote for the sake of "The FIRST." How is that not apparent?

That's one interpretation. There are others, equally plausible.

No, there aren't.

Here's another: demographically symbolic means that each demographic gets its turn, regardless of whether it's their first time or not. Of the two, this could be even more plausible because the guy didn't say anything about the notion of a first. Nevertheless, the appearance is what I said was bad, and that has almost nothing to do with plausible interpretaitions.

[MakeItRain]

If Cruz or Rubio win, will it be because they are Hispanic?

Apples to oranges. The people that will vote for them have different requirements for a president than those that voted for Obama.

this essentially reads as "niggers are stupid"

Why do you guys make the choice to sound like racists instead of acknowledging that lots of people didn't want Obama to be president because he's black. When you can't acknowledge that FACT it makes me think you're in denial because you don't want to view your choice through those glasses.

[star seed 7]

mir, the politically correct term now is "low information voter"

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

If Cruz or Rubio win, will it be because they are Hispanic?

Apples to oranges. The people that will vote for them have different requirements for a president than those that voted for Obama.

this essentially reads as "niggers are stupid"

Why do you guys make the choice to sound like racists instead of acknowledging that lots of people didn't want Obama to be president because he's black. When you can't acknowledge that FACT it makes me think you're in denial because you don't want to view your choice through those glasses.

It is a commentary on liberal voters versus conservative voters. I would have made the same comment if he had used Cain and Rice.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If Cruz or Rubio win, will it be because they are Hispanic?

Apples to oranges. The people that will vote for them have different requirements for a president than those that voted for Obama.

this essentially reads as "niggers are stupid"

Why do you guys make the choice to sound like racists instead of acknowledging that lots of people didn't want Obama to be president because he's black. When you can't acknowledge that FACT it makes me think you're in denial because you don't want to view your choice through those glasses.

First, whether or not people decided not to vote for Obama based on his race does not change the fact that many people did just the opposite, which was a big factor in beating out Hillary in 2008 and his road to the WH. That's all that Wayne was talking about.

Second, you appear to be saying that there are a bunch of racist Dems who would have voted Dem but stayed home or went against obama because he was black. Interesting admission.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If Cruz or Rubio win, will it be because they are Hispanic?

Apples to oranges. The people that will vote for them have different requirements for a president than those that voted for Obama.

this essentially reads as "niggers are stupid"

Why do you guys make the choice to sound like racists instead of acknowledging that lots of people didn't want Obama to be president because he's black. When you can't acknowledge that FACT it makes me think you're in denial because you don't want to view your choice through those glasses.

It is a commentary on liberal voters versus conservative voters. I would have made the same comment if he had used Cain and Rice.

They'll take any comment touching on race and make it racist. Pathetic and predictable.

[star seed 7]

Maybe don't constantly say racist things and people will start to give you the benefit of the doubt

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The fact that we have to hunt this hard for racism and sexist, means we probably live in the most tolerant society in the history of earth. We'll done, American friends, well done.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Why Hillary? "Because She's a Woman"

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why not Hillary? Because she's a woman.

[puniraptor]

When do you guys think the first gun will be elected president?

[Rage Against the McKee]

When do you guys think the first gun will be elected president?

Andrew Jackson was elected in 1829.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Why not Hillary? Because she's a woman.

This is the mentality Wayne was criticizing, as I said. It was not in any way racist.

[star seed 7]

Wonder if ksuw would be bold enough to condemn wayne for saying he wouldn't vote for a woman or non-white. My guess is he won't

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Wonder if ksuw would be bold enough to condemn wayne for saying he wouldn't vote for a woman or non-white. My guess is he won't

What? He didn't say that.