can we all just agree the cupboard is bare?

[Cartierfor3]

Can we all agree that our record wouldn't be any different with any other coach?

What in the world is your point?

:tucksinshirt:
That a meltdown today is silly.  We won.  Only game we've lost is to a great team.

Serious question and not a PI; do you not know enough about basketball to see the problems?  Saying we won and that should be good enough is at best ignorant.  Would you be good with a 3 point win at Prairie View A&M?  If so you might want to sit these conversations out.  GW is terrible, terrible by any measure.  I've been as pro-"we're going to be good this year" as anyone on this board.  We have some very real problems, once again this team showed that not only are they challenged to score, but they have times where they are completely disinterested in guarding.  They are soft, which is the worst indictment.

If you saw anything to be encouraged about outside of "we won" I'd love to hear it.

I'll admit, I don't have HBBIQ.  I've always been a baseball first, football second, basketball third person, but I'm planning on being in these discussions this year. 

I see the problems absolutely.  We looked completely disinterested in the 1st half, and frankly we could've been down more if we weren't getting cheap air ball put backs from Nino.  After Will's 3 that put us up 7 or whatever, I said that GW wouldn't be able to score enough and we'd win by 12-15.  Yeah, we don't defend well, but I'm hopeful we'll improve.

I'm encouraged that Angel took over the game, and won.  I absolutely think that we should be encouraged by his play in the last 10 minutes.

My point was more that choosing today to decide "The cupboard is bare, I'M OUT!" is stupid. 

The next 3 games will tell us a lot.

Why is it stupid to decide that today was a tipping point?  Is there a certain amount of times that we have to look bad before it is acceptable for people to be upset?  What's your number so we can use it as a guide?

Its acceptable for people to do whatever they want.  I get the combination of apathy and anger in our fanbase.  Today wasn't my tipping point, if it was someone else's, that's fine.  My tipping point will probably be a bad loss, rather than an ugly win. 

[MakeItRain]

Can we all agree that our record wouldn't be any different with any other coach?

What in the world is your point?

:tucksinshirt:
That a meltdown today is silly.  We won.  Only game we've lost is to a great team.

Serious question and not a PI; do you not know enough about basketball to see the problems?  Saying we won and that should be good enough is at best ignorant.  Would you be good with a 3 point win at Prairie View A&M?  If so you might want to sit these conversations out.  GW is terrible, terrible by any measure.  I've been as pro-"we're going to be good this year" as anyone on this board.  We have some very real problems, once again this team showed that not only are they challenged to score, but they have times where they are completely disinterested in guarding.  They are soft, which is the worst indictment.

If you saw anything to be encouraged about outside of "we won" I'd love to hear it.

I'll admit, I don't have HBBIQ.  I've always been a baseball first, football second, basketball third person, but I'm planning on being in these discussions this year. 

I see the problems absolutely.  We looked completely disinterested in the 1st half, and frankly we could've been down more if we weren't getting cheap air ball put backs from Nino.  After Will's 3 that put us up 7 or whatever, I said that GW wouldn't be able to score enough and we'd win by 12-15.  Yeah, we don't defend well, but I'm hopeful we'll improve.

I'm encouraged that Angel took over the game, and won.  I absolutely think that we should be encouraged by his play in the last 10 minutes.

My point was more that choosing today to decide "The cupboard is bare, I'M OUT!" is stupid. 

The next 3 games will tell us a lot.

Why is it stupid to decide that today was a tipping point?  Is there a certain amount of times that we have to look bad before it is acceptable for people to be upset?  What's your number so we can use it as a guide?

Its acceptable for people to do whatever they want.  I get the combination of apathy and anger in our fanbase.  Today wasn't my tipping point, if it was someone else's, that's fine.  My tipping point will probably be a bad loss, rather than an ugly win.

So you base your assessment solely on the final result on the scoreboard, fine I guess.  There is certainly conversation to be had about what happened during the game and what happened was certainly worthy of a meltdown.  Michigan, Gonzaga, or Florida would have killed us today.

[Cartierfor3]

So you base your assessment solely on the final result on the scoreboard, fine I guess.  There is certainly conversation to be had about what happened during the game and what happened was certainly worthy of a meltdown.  Michigan, Gonzaga, or Florida would have killed us today.

Meet you back here next Saturday then. 

[MakeItRain]

So you base your assessment solely on the final result on the scoreboard, fine I guess.  There is certainly conversation to be had about what happened during the game and what happened was certainly worthy of a meltdown.  Michigan, Gonzaga, or Florida would have killed us today.

Meet you back here next Saturday then.

If we win or lose that game it wont change the fact that we were crap today.  No one will be served well with I told you so.

We're going to lose BTW

[Cartierfor3]

So you base your assessment solely on the final result on the scoreboard, fine I guess.  There is certainly conversation to be had about what happened during the game and what happened was certainly worthy of a meltdown.  Michigan, Gonzaga, or Florida would have killed us today.

Meet you back here next Saturday then.

If we win or lose that game it wont change the fact that we were crap today.  No one will be served well with I told you so.

We're going to lose BTW

I'm not predicting a win.  I'm predicting my tipping point.

[Kat Kid]

Cartier is well within his rights to hold out hope.  I still thinkr 10 and8 but this league sucks and we will probably not have a top 50 win all year.  Probably still make the tourney.  Definitely getting bounced in the first weekend. We are ho hum.  Not a single player is better than last year.  Angel did not have a good game.  Will had a freshman Will game.  JOis gmaybe even worse.southwell did not play a minute.  Niño started and gip out played him for most of the game DJamer played like a fresh Jin. His first true roadie.  And I don't know if mcgruder is going. To be enough to do everything.  At this point it looks like he will have toforthis team to do anything more then meh their way through this year.  Ugh.

[bruce]

Don't worry guys. As soon as Hoskins comes back, everything will be fine.

[MakeItRain]

No one is telling him not to hope, just that he shouldn't be calling people silly for being pissed about how we looked today.

I called 10-8 for this team a couple of weeks ago, and now I'm taking it back.  They have had 4 straight disinterested-to-pitiful performances, more of these than the alternative, enough for me to think they are what they've shown at this point.  The conference stinks but seeing our peer schools the last couple of days, I think we are worse than UT, ISU, and OU.  We certainly would have lost to the teams these schools lost to this week.  We'll have some games when we will make some jump shots and win a game or two that we shouldn't, but no way this team playing the way they have played the last month, will finish 10-8.

[Cartierfor3]

No one is telling him not to hope, just that he shouldn't be calling people silly for being pissed about how we looked today.

Yeah.  You're right.

[sys]

the offense will be fine.  mcgruder will hit shots.  art will get healthy.  weber will admit defeat and let the team set high ball screens for art and points will ensue.

defense and dboarding are more of a concern.  weber's had some good d teams, this team just doesn't seem like they want to defend that hard.  i don't really know about how that will work out.

[CNS]

The method our guys use to defend perimeter screens will kill us in conf with the guys we have and how they are playing.

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[IlliniTillIDie]

It just feels like the cupboard is bare because Captain Miserable is your coach.

We thought the cupboard was bare too but we hopefully are halfway decent.

[sys]

It just feels like the cupboard is bare because Captain Miserable is your coach.

the thread title is a joke.  we lost one player from last year's tourney team.

[The Whale]

Man, Will has to feel pretty good.  He had several possessions today that would've resulted in a 30-second timeout rage fest followed by being benched last year. 

[CNS]

Man, Will has to feel pretty good.  He had several possessions today that would've resulted in a 30-second timeout rage fest followed by being benched last year.

oscar lets him play his game. Confidence is invaluable

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[Gooch]

Man, Will has to feel pretty good.  He had several possessions today that would've resulted in a 30-second timeout rage fest followed by being benched last year.

oscar lets him play his game. Confidence is invaluable

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"Will is a good shooter"

[Skipper44]

This season will be a case study in a tyrant demanding rebounding, defense and toughness versus the same players shooting jumpers while  filled with a peaceful, easy feeling.

[MakeItRain]

Man, Will has to feel pretty good.  He had several possessions today that would've resulted in a 30-second timeout rage fest followed by being benched last year.

oscar lets him play his game. Confidence is invaluable

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Man, people are going to ride those 3 shots, hard.

[kim carnes]

It just feels like the cupboard is bare because Captain Miserable is your coach.

the thread title is a joke.  we lost one player from last year's tourney team.

a tourney team that barely got by an absolutely awful southern miss team.

[sys]

a tourney team that barely got by an absolutely awful southern miss team.

good point, kc.  not just one of the 64 best teams, one of the 32 best.

[kim carnes]

a tourney team that barely got by an absolutely awful southern miss team.

good point, kc.  not just one of the 64 best teams, one of the 32 best.

pfft

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank left behind a 5th place Big 12 team, that beat a C-USA team in the 1st round in the NCAA tourney.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Frank left behind a 5th place Big 12 team, that beat a C-USA team in the 1st round in the NCAA tourney.

yes. minimum expectations are to repeat last year. minimum. since we weren't that good last year, this should not be hard. 8 seed and one tourney win. anything less should be unacceptable.

[MakeItRain]

Frank left behind a 5th place Big 12 team, that beat a C-USA team in the 1st round in the NCAA tourney.

yes. minimum expectations are to repeat last year. minimum. since we weren't that good last year, this should not be hard. 8 seed and one tourney win. anything less should be unacceptable.

Yes, can't wait to see people who trashed Jamar last year make him seem like he was Blake Griffin when they scramble to defend oscar this season.  There is no doubt this team is worse.  The only player who is seemingly better is Angel.

[Stevesie60]

Frank left behind a 5th place Big 12 team, that beat a C-USA team in the 1st round in the NCAA tourney.

yes. minimum expectations are to repeat last year. minimum. since we weren't that good last year, this should not be hard. 8 seed and one tourney win. anything less should be unacceptable.

Yes, can't wait to see people who trashed Jamar last year make him seem like he was Blake Griffin when they scramble to defend oscar this season.  There is no doubt this team is worse.  The only player who is seemingly better is Angel.

I think Will is better, but it's marginal and considering last year, not hard to do.