can we all just agree the cupboard is bare?

[MakeItRain]

Frank left behind a 5th place Big 12 team, that beat a C-USA team in the 1st round in the NCAA tourney.

yes. minimum expectations are to repeat last year. minimum. since we weren't that good last year, this should not be hard. 8 seed and one tourney win. anything less should be unacceptable.

Yes, can't wait to see people who trashed Jamar last year make him seem like he was Blake Griffin when they scramble to defend oscar this season.  There is no doubt this team is worse.  The only player who is seemingly better is Angel.

I think Will is better, but it's marginal and considering last year, not hard to do.

Hes certainly more aggressive, his game looks better, but his production is level.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank left behind a 5th place Big 12 team, that beat a C-USA team in the 1st round in the NCAA tourney.

yes. minimum expectations are to repeat last year. minimum. since we weren't that good last year, this should not be hard. 8 seed and one tourney win. anything less should be unacceptable.

That's a fairly reasonable expectation, but I wouldn't expect much more than that . . . there's simply not a lot of good basketball players in this program right now, and I doubt oscar is going to do much better on the recruiting trail than Frank did, which pretty much means both could barely out-recruit a dead man.

[bigwillie20]

I wish I wouldn't have bothered to watch that shitshow yesterday.  We rough ridin' suck, how can a team regress this much with everyone back?  Eat a giant bag of crap and dicks oscar and Currie

[sonofdaxjones]

I wish I wouldn't have bothered to watch that shitshow yesterday.  We rough ridin' suck, how can a team regress this much with everyone back?  Eat a giant bag of crap and dicks oscar and Currie

The previous regime was perfectly capable of putting on a great shitshow, here's an example of one, and I consider getting beat by Iowa State and Oklahoma last year a combined FOUR times about as big a shitshow as you can possibly imagine.   That's why K-State was a 5th place conference team last year. 

Score by Periods     1st      2nd      OT     Total     
North Florida      25     35     8     68     Record: (5-5)
Kansas State      32     28     19     79     Record: (6-1)

[Barry McCockner]

Can we all agree that our record wouldn't be any different with any other coach?

Record right now?  Yes.

Record in 2 months?  No rough ridin' way.

Losing record in conference, NIT (maybe).

[Barry McCockner]

I wish I wouldn't have bothered to watch that shitshow yesterday.  We rough ridin' suck, how can a team regress this much with everyone back?  Eat a giant bag of crap and dicks oscar and Currie

The previous regime was perfectly capable of putting on a great shitshow, here's an example of one, and I consider getting beat by Iowa State and Oklahoma last year a combined FOUR times about as big a shitshow as you can possibly imagine.   That's why K-State was a 5th place conference team last year. 

Score by Periods     1st      2nd      OT     Total     
North Florida      25     35     8     68     Record: (5-5)
Kansas State      32     28     19     79     Record: (6-1)

We will finish lower than 5th this year, and the conference is considerably shittier.

[8manpick]

For much of the game yesterday, Angel was terrible. I am solidly #teamangel, but yesterday was pretty bad.

This team is going to win 8 or 9 big 12 games and miss the tournament unless we improve significantly.

[MakeItRain]

I wish I wouldn't have bothered to watch that shitshow yesterday.  We rough ridin' suck, how can a team regress this much with everyone back?  Eat a giant bag of crap and dicks oscar and Currie

The previous regime was perfectly capable of putting on a great shitshow, here's an example of one, and I consider getting beat by Iowa State and Oklahoma last year a combined FOUR times about as big a shitshow as you can possibly imagine.   That's why K-State was a 5th place conference team last year. 

Score by Periods     1st      2nd      OT     Total     
North Florida      25     35     8     68     Record: (5-5)
Kansas State      32     28     19     79     Record: (6-1)

That North Florida game was awful, no getting around that, I witnessed it first hand.  The difference in my eyes and others is that we knew that Frank was doing Frank things to sacrifice the short term for long term success.  It was an argument that we had multiple times on here last year and I was right about it.  I'm not sure this is going to be the case with oscar, there is evidence that he is with his ever changing rotations, trying to find what works now and settling in when January rolls around.  I just don't trust that we are going to take a big leap forward this season.

[kso_FAN]

For much of the game yesterday, Angel was terrible. I am solidly #teamangel, but yesterday was pretty bad.

This team is going to win 8 or 9 big 12 games and miss the tournament unless we improve significantly.

This team will go as far as Angel and Rodney take it. We need others to play well (Will, JO, Gip), but those 2 are the keys to the season.

[Mixed-Nutz]

I don't expect our lazy defense to get better at all. I knew we'd be lazier, bit didn't think it would be as bad as it is.

Franks team also had problems with not being interested in games against lesser opponents.    Also our out of con schedule this year suck balls   

[MakeItRain]

I don't expect our lazy defense to get better at all. I knew we'd be lazier, bit didn't think it would be as bad as it is.

Franks team also had problems with not being interested in games against lesser opponents.    Also our out of con schedule this year suck balls

That's revisionist, Frank's teams never looked lazy and disinterested.  They looked very incapable at times, they never looked lazy.

[bones129]

I was uninspired by the win today. Of course, it's a win.

[sonofdaxjones]

I wish I wouldn't have bothered to watch that shitshow yesterday.  We rough ridin' suck, how can a team regress this much with everyone back?  Eat a giant bag of crap and dicks oscar and Currie

The previous regime was perfectly capable of putting on a great shitshow, here's an example of one, and I consider getting beat by Iowa State and Oklahoma last year a combined FOUR times about as big a shitshow as you can possibly imagine.   That's why K-State was a 5th place conference team last year. 

Score by Periods     1st      2nd      OT     Total     
North Florida      25     35     8     68     Record: (5-5)
Kansas State      32     28     19     79     Record: (6-1)

That North Florida game was awful, no getting around that, I witnessed it first hand.  The difference in my eyes and others is that we knew that Frank was doing Frank things to sacrifice the short term for long term success.  It was an argument that we had multiple times on here last year and I was right about it.  I'm not sure this is going to be the case with oscar, there is evidence that he is with his ever changing rotations, trying to find what works now and settling in when January rolls around.  I just don't trust that we are going to take a big leap forward this season.

It's a terrible mix right now.  oscar Weber's system on a marginally talented team built to play a JYC brick and board offense. 



 

[StocktonCat]

For much of the game yesterday, Angel was terrible. I am solidly #teamangel, but yesterday was pretty bad.

This team is going to win 8 or 9 big 12 games and miss the tournament unless we improve significantly.

This team will go as far as Angel and Rodney take it. We need others to play well (Will, JO, Gip), but those 2 are the keys to the season.

Hey Fan..I agree with your take on Angel and Rodney....I will add one thing a lot of posters on this board miss.  If JO hadn't turned it around the last 5 or so games last year Frank would have had the results of almost a trainwreck.  JO saved the season. 5th Place!!  We badly need JO to duplicate last part of last season to be really successful.  JO has had about a 5 game stretch in 3 years that was great.  We badly need that this year.