WildcatNkilt thread about stupid championship things

[Rage Against the McKee]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

No they would not. JFC shutup

You guys are killing me.  Conference champions will come into huge play.  BCS will no longer exist.  So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss.  Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.

1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame

Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated

I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship.  This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/11/29/college-football-playoff-mock-selection-committee/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a0

This collection of athletic directors wouldn't have put us into an 8 team playoff this season.

[MadCat]

My feelings right now could be summed up with a window decal of Calvin pissing on the cigars thread.  Sorry, Pete.

[WildcatNkilt]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

No they would not. JFC shutup

You guys are killing me.  Conference champions will come into huge play.  BCS will no longer exist.  So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss.  Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.

1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame

Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated

I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship.  This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.

Pete asked us nicely to stop. so shut up. Make a new thread titled "WildcatNkilt thread about stupid championship things " and I will join you over there.

hurr

["storm"nut]

Pete can you move WildcatNKilt's crap about 4 team playoff over here. Thanks

[WildcatNkilt]

Pete can you move WildcatNKilt's crap about 4 team playoff over here. Thanks

 

["storm"nut]

Pete can you move WildcatNKilt's crap about 4 team playoff over here. Thanks

 

This will be full of tardness soon. 

[WildcatNkilt]

Lets take 1-loss OSU last year.  You don't think they would have been in?  They finished #3 in BCS standings. 

If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory. 

[catzacker]

The playoff format is no different than the BCS format.  It’s a beauty contest.  Unless there is some sort of rule which stipulates that a conference winner has an automatic birth, then KSU will pretty much have to go undefeated.  We are a 1 loss team, champion of the 2nd toughest league in the country, and we are behind two teams who didn’t even win their division.

I would like to see some sort of rule/criteria which states that a conference champion in a top 4 rated conference (whether that’s through the “BCS” standings or some RPI-like standings) who is in the top 10 of the “bcs” or rpi-like standings gets an auto bid.  After those slots are filled, then others can be filled by selection (with other defined criteria).  So basically, this year, the 4 team playoff would be Bama, KSU, Stanford, and the at large would be ND.   That would be beyond fair.

["storm"nut]

Lets take 1-loss OSU last year.  You don't think they would have been in?  They finished #3 in BCS standings. 

If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.

BCS Rankings 2011
1   Alabama (55)   12-1   
2   LSU (1)   13-1
3   Oklahoma State (4)   12-1   
4   Oregon   12-2   
5   Arkansas   11-2   
6   USC   10-2   
7   Stanford   11-2   
8   Boise State   12-1   
9   South Carolina   11-2   
10   Wisconsin   11-3   

Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.

[WildcatNkilt]

Lets take 1-loss OSU last year.  You don't think they would have been in?  They finished #3 in BCS standings. 

If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.

BCS Rankings 2011
1   Alabama (55)   12-1   
2   LSU (1)   13-1
3   Oklahoma State (4)   12-1   
4   Oregon   12-2   
5   Arkansas   11-2   
6   USC   10-2   
7   Stanford   11-2   
8   Boise State   12-1   
9   South Carolina   11-2   
10   Wisconsin   11-3   

Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.

So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year?  It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario.  I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team. 

Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be.  I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom.  However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference.  If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.

["storm"nut]

Lets take 1-loss OSU last year.  You don't think they would have been in?  They finished #3 in BCS standings. 

If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.

BCS Rankings 2011
1   Alabama (55)   12-1   
2   LSU (1)   13-1
3   Oklahoma State (4)   12-1   
4   Oregon   12-2   
5   Arkansas   11-2   
6   USC   10-2   
7   Stanford   11-2   
8   Boise State   12-1   
9   South Carolina   11-2   
10   Wisconsin   11-3   

Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.

So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year?  It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario.  I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team. 

Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be.  I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom.  However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference.  If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.

1 loss ND gets in, if the 1 loss is to a named team (Oklahoma this year, USC may be too late in the season)

I contend that a 12 team conference with championship game help Texas and Oklahoma get both teams in (one with one loss and the other undefeated) while everyone else would still have to run the table. That is why I also see Texas and Oklahoma warming to at least 12 teams here soon.

[WildcatNkilt]

Lets take 1-loss OSU last year.  You don't think they would have been in?  They finished #3 in BCS standings. 

If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.

BCS Rankings 2011
1   Alabama (55)   12-1   
2   LSU (1)   13-1
3   Oklahoma State (4)   12-1   
4   Oregon   12-2   
5   Arkansas   11-2   
6   USC   10-2   
7   Stanford   11-2   
8   Boise State   12-1   
9   South Carolina   11-2   
10   Wisconsin   11-3   

Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.

So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year?  It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario.  I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team. 

Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be.  I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom.  However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference.  If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.

1 loss ND gets in, if the 1 loss is to a named team (Oklahoma this year, USC may be too late in the season)

I contend that a 12 team conference with championship game help Texas and Oklahoma get both teams in (one with one loss and the other undefeated) while everyone else would still have to run the table. That is why I also see Texas and Oklahoma warming to at least 12 teams here soon.

I guess I don't see a 1-loss ND getting in because
1) Their S.O.S. is horrible
2) Media/Voters were talking all year about if they lost they would drop far.  They were already behind Oregon and K-State by a decent margin when all were undefeated.

I personally think conference champions will be a huge favorite over non-champions with great records (I.E. K-State over Oregon this year). 

[TheHamburglar]

They will go down this list, in this order to pick the 4 teams and stop when it is full

1. SEC Champ
2. Undefeated ACC, Big12, Pac-12, BigTen Champ or ND
3. 1 loss UT or OU if Conf Champ
4. 1 loss USC or Oregon if Conf Champ
5. 1 loss Ohio State or Michigan if Conf Champ
6. 1 loss SEC team, not Conf Champ
7. 1 loss UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan if not conf champ, but best overall record in their Conf (de facto best team in their conference).
8. 1 loss ND
9. Best other 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
10. Other Best 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
11. 1 loss FSU if Conf Champ
12. 1 loss BigTen Champ
13. Other 1 loss ACC Champ

Last year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have got in with teams 1,6,9, and 10 getting in.
This year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have been left out with 1,2,6, and 7 getting in.   

["storm"nut]

Lets take 1-loss OSU last year.  You don't think they would have been in?  They finished #3 in BCS standings. 

If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.

BCS Rankings 2011
1   Alabama (55)   12-1   
2   LSU (1)   13-1
3   Oklahoma State (4)   12-1   
4   Oregon   12-2   
5   Arkansas   11-2   
6   USC   10-2   
7   Stanford   11-2   
8   Boise State   12-1   
9   South Carolina   11-2   
10   Wisconsin   11-3   

Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.

So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year?  It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario.  I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team. 

Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be.  I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom.  However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference.  If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.

1 loss ND gets in, if the 1 loss is to a named team (Oklahoma this year, USC may be too late in the season)

I contend that a 12 team conference with championship game help Texas and Oklahoma get both teams in (one with one loss and the other undefeated) while everyone else would still have to run the table. That is why I also see Texas and Oklahoma warming to at least 12 teams here soon.

I guess I don't see a 1-loss ND getting in because
1) Their S.O.S. is horrible
2) Media/Voters were talking all year about if they lost they would drop far.  They were already behind Oregon and K-State by a decent margin when all were undefeated.

I personally think conference champions will be a huge favorite over non-champions with great records (I.E. K-State over Oregon this year).

Preaching to the choir on that one, champions should have some weight in deciding the 4 but I get the feeling the rules are going to be made so that the power conferences can get more than one in. I don't see rules restricting number from same conference or make it easier for independents or non power conferences to get in.

[WildcatNkilt]

They will go down this list, in this order to pick the 4 teams and stop when it is full

1. SEC Champ
2. Undefeated ACC, Big12, Pac-12, BigTen Champ or ND
3. 1 loss UT or OU if Conf Champ
4. 1 loss USC or Oregon if Conf Champ
5. 1 loss Ohio State or Michigan if Conf Champ
6. 1 loss SEC team, not Conf Champ
7. 1 loss UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan if not conf champ, but best overall record in their Conf (de facto best team in their conference).
8. 1 loss ND
9. Best other 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
10. Other Best 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
11. 1 loss FSU if Conf Champ
12. 1 loss BigTen Champ
13. Other 1 loss ACC Champ

Last year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have got in with teams 1,6,9, and 10 getting in.
This year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have been left out with 1,2,6, and 7 getting in.

That makes sense, but I think we're putting Oregon on too high of a pedestal.  They are not an OU/TX/USC/Ohio St./Michigan type team.  They've always been a bowl team, but haven't been getting to BCS bowl since 2009 Rose (lost), 2010 Championship (lost), 2011 Rose (won), and now 2012 Fiesta.  All under Chip Kelly.  They are the Oklahoma St. of the Pac-12. 

[eastcat]

Weird. I don't remember starting this thread...

 

[michigancat]

KSU is a sexy team and will be at the top of the committee's list for sure.

[cvmcat]

They will go down this list, in this order to pick the 4 teams and stop when it is full

1. SEC Champ
2. Undefeated ACC, Big12, Pac-12, BigTen Champ or ND
3. 1 loss UT or OU if Conf Champ
4. 1 loss USC or Oregon if Conf Champ
5. 1 loss Ohio State or Michigan if Conf Champ
6. 1 loss SEC team, not Conf Champ
7. 1 loss UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan if not conf champ, but best overall record in their Conf (de facto best team in their conference).
8. 1 loss ND
9. Best other 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
10. Other Best 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
11. 1 loss FSU if Conf Champ
12. 1 loss BigTen Champ
13. Other 1 loss ACC Champ

Last year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have got in with teams 1,6,9, and 10 getting in.
This year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have been left out with 1,2,6, and 7 getting in.

Even if the SEC champ has 2 losses?  More?