WildcatNkilt thread about stupid championship things

[EMAWesome]

I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.

What do you want to know?  Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows. 

I want to know how the new system works

• 7 games every year (6 bowls + 1 bid out location for NC game) with 12 teams
• 3 bowls new years day, 3 bowls years eve, NC game 2 Mondays later (somewhere between 8th and 14th)
• Semi-finals rotate between 6 bowl games
• ACC champ goes to Orange, Big12 & SEC champs go to Sugar, BigTen & Pac12 champs go to Rose
• If any of those champs make it into top 4, they are replaced by next best team in conference
• If any of those bowl games are hosting a semi-final, the conference champ(s) that were supposed to go there go to another 1 of the 6 bowls
• 4 semi-finalst choosen by committee, similar to B-Ball tourney, assisted by some sort of rating system (think RPI) and leaning towards conference champs in close calls
• The best remaining conference champ from other 5 conferences will get 1 of 12 spots
• Once all above steps are done, committee picks next best teams to fill in 12 spots and assigns teams to open spots based on creating best matchups, no repeats, ect
• ESPN pays a lot for this, everyone gets rich

could they have made it more confusing?

So the Big 12/SEC bowl only takes place when the Sugar Bowl isn't a semifinal? I thought the Rose would get Pac 10 and Big 10 no matter what.

I believe the Sugar will always be Big 12/SEC if there are eligible teams from both leagues, just like the Rose. 

There are changes to the rules for who makes it and I wonder if round robin may be a bad deal here.   Like, if you have a undefeated OU and a one loss UT both making the playoff do we have a hard time getting a three loss KSU into the Sugar bowl game due to a low BCS rating?

There will be no BCS rating

[TheHamburglar]

I believe the Sugar will always be Big 12/SEC if there are eligible teams from both leagues, just like the Rose. 

Nope.  Every 3 years the Sugar will be a national semi-final instead of Big12/SEC.  Same with Orange and Rose.  It will probably rotate so that every year 1 of these 3 bowls will be a national semifinal on New Years Day and the other national semifinal will be 1 of the other 3 bowls (probably Chick-fil-a, Cotton, and Fiesta) in primetime on New Years Eve.  The Sugar and the Rose had the opportunity to opt out of the rotation, but they both declined.

[Panjandrum]

Time slots are for sports and talk. Netflix has a pretty straightforward understanding of the TV space. On one side, there’s content that works well on linear TV, like sports and nighttime talk. “The immediacy of Jon Stewart…. lends itself to linear business models,” Sarandos said. On the other side, there is scripted content, which comes with a much longer shelf life.

Sarandos made it clear Wednesday that he has no intention to mess around with scheduled content. And for good reason: Making successful linear TV, getting people to tune in every night at a certain time — that’s hard. “The most difficult thing in linear television is the pressure on the time slot,” Sarandos said. With a Netflix-like on-demand model, you don’t have any of those issues.

This is on the surface just a simple business decision – but it could foreshadow a much bigger change. After all, if Netflix is successful with its no-schedule strategy, should other TV networks stick to the schedule as their viewing is shifting towards an on-demand world?

http://gigaom.com/video/netflix-ted-sarandos-ubs-media/

[Panjandrum]

“What I have seen over the past four years is that, [with] the amount of content that athletic departments are creating, there really is some payback in the cost of production,” says Chris Wagner, co-founder/EVP at Neulion. “The cost of producing content is getting cheaper; the cost of distributing content is getting cheaper. Fans are on more smartphones and tablets than ever before. The purchase of those devices is going up very fast. You’re looking at 30- to 45-minute engagement time in some cases on live programming, which really translates well for opportunities to sell something whether it’s e-commerce or ads or other stuff like that. But content definitely drives that, and there’s an appetite for content like never before because it’s just so easy now to access it.”In response to the effective reach traditional media has with college sports fans, various colleges and networks are looking to use their linear products to help drive eyes to digital offerings.

Fox Sports regional networks have made news over the past few months signing various third-tier rights deals with such colleges as Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and TCU.

“Now that we have this content, we know those fans want a deeper experience, so one of the things we’re going to look to continue to exploit is, how do we use our linear network to create snippets and promote things that are going to be on the digital side?” says Jon Heidtke, SVP/GM, Fox Sports Southwest/Oklahoma/New Orleans. “We want to get to the point where we can drive them to that experience so they can get that kind of content.”

This is our model, btw.  Except ours is the farthest along at this point.

http://sportsvideo.org/main/blog/2012/12/06/feeding-college-sports-fans-hunger-for-content-offers-opportunities/

[Panjandrum]

So, if I'm reading this right, Netflix isn't interested in broadcasting sports, which means that, obviously, ABC, ESPN, Fox, etc. will still have a place in the business.

However, because Tier 3 rights are still an unknown and untapped resource, using Tier 3 deals like we have with FSN are ideal because we can then supplement that with content on K-StateHD.tv. 

If you're a team in the Big Ten, Pac-12 or SEC, you won't have that option because you've signed all of those rights over to the conference for the purposes of a network.

We're essentially betting that our model will ultimately be more profitable than theirs, and regardless, it is less risky because of how much TV stands to evolve during the duration of our deals.

[Ira Hayes]

My guess is this years playoff would be:

1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford

If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.

This will lean heavily toward conference champions.

[ChiComCat]

My guess is this years playoff would be:

1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford

If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.

This will lean heavily toward conference champions.

Stanford has 2 losses

[steve dave]

My guess is this years playoff would be:

1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford

If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.

This will lean heavily toward conference champions.

Stanford has 2 losses

Florida and Oregon would both go ahead of Stanford (and possibly us). can Oregon jump Stanford under the new format?

[chum1]

Isn't the selection process a committee?  If so, how can anyone predict anything beyond undefeated major conference champs?

[steve dave]

Isn't the selection process a committee?  If so, how can anyone predict anything beyond undefeated major conference champs?

Well, as long as there's nothing to block it in the rules I can predict with a fair amount of certainty that a 1 loss Florida would go ahead of a 2 loss Stanford.

[TheHamburglar]

My guess is this years playoff would be:

1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford

If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.

This will lean heavily toward conference champions.

Stanford has 2 losses

Florida and Oregon would both go ahead of Stanford (and possibly us). can Oregon jump Stanford under the new format?

Yes, Oregon can jump Stanford. Right now there are no hard rules, only guidelines like conference championship should carry a lot of weight. No one has any idea who would have gotten in this year because they don't know the makeup of the committee yet. It would depend on the committee's agenda on who gets in.  However, after the way we lost to Baylor I don't think there is any way a group could decide we deserve in unless the committee is 1 person from each conference and every other conference rep has an agenda to put in conference champs.

[TheHamburglar]

Isn't the selection process a committee?  If so, how can anyone predict anything beyond undefeated major conference champs?

Well, as long as there's nothing to block it in the rules I can predict with a fair amount of certainty that a 1 loss Florida would go ahead of a 2 loss Stanford.

Most of the sports media this year has said if they were on the committee it would be ND , Bama, Florida, and a hard choice between Stanford and Oregon.

[steve dave]

it's a lot easier to make a case for Florida potentially being the best team in the country over a 2 loss Stanford. easier to argue even we are (though less so than those two). that loss to Washington is about as bad as our Baylor loss and then you have to throw the second loss to ND on top of it. I think it would be ND, AL, OR, FL. we would come in at 5 and be left out.

[Rage Against the McKee]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

[WildcatNkilt]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now. 

[thebigcatbowski]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 

["storm"nut]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

[WildcatNkilt]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas. 

["storm"nut]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

No they would not. JFC shutup

If Oklahoma would have 1 loss (K-State ) they would be ranked 3rd in the BCS and be the 3rd team picked by a committee ahead of us. (Alabama, Florida Oklahoma, and Notre Dame)

[thebigcatbowski]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

That's NOT what happened. What did actually happen in real life completely disproves your theory.

[Pete]

CUT IT OUT, YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!

[MakeItRain]

Thanks Pete, Jesus Christ.

["storm"nut]

Thanks Pete, Jesus Christ.

they started it 

[WildcatNkilt]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

No they would not. JFC shutup

You guys are killing me.  Conference champions will come into huge play.  BCS will no longer exist.  So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss.  Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.

1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame

Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated

I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship.  This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.

["storm"nut]

There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

No they would not. JFC shutup

You guys are killing me.  Conference champions will come into huge play.  BCS will no longer exist.  So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss.  Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.

1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame

Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated

I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship.  This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.

Pete asked us nicely to stop. so shut up. Make a new thread titled "WildcatNkilt thread about stupid championship things" and I will join you over there.