NIU

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So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.

so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?

No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.

results of bowl games are meaningless.

Yep.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Those games, they control what they do and they lost. This was out of their hands

[ChiComCat]

The part that bugs me is that the Big 12 gets punished because the Big 10 and Big East suck.  Terrible system.

[michigancat]

So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.

so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?

No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.

results of bowl games are meaningless.

Yep.

they affect preseason rankings, so they aren't meaningless.

[kim carnes]

So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.

so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?

No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.

results of bowl games are meaningless.

Says the guy who is butthurt about the perception of the SEC

[Rage Against the McKee]

The part that bugs me is that the Big 12 gets punished because the Big 10 and Big East suck.  Terrible system.

Yeah. NIU should be taking Wisconsin's place in the Rose Bowl.

[DQ12]

i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:

1.  They go undefeated
2.  They lose one game and beat a good team

NIU does not fit either of these.

[Rage Against the McKee]

i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:

1.  They go undefeated
2.  They lose one game and beat a good team

NIU does not fit either of these.

That would be fine with me, too, as long as we can be liberal enough with the term "mid-major" to include teams like Wisconsin, Louisville, and Florida State this season.

[catzacker]

So if OU (tied for 1st place in Big 12) loses to A&M (3rd in their DIVISION of the SEC), there is no way to ignore that the SEC is better than every other conference, right? I'm not necessarily predicting it to happen, but if it does, the Big 12 should be very embarrassed.

so if NIU beats FSU, then MAC > ACC?

No, because they are both the best teams in their leagues. You could argue that A&M finished 6th in their league, and is playing a team that has a Big 12 trophy. If a middle of the road team in the SEC beats one of the best in the Big 12, that's not good.

results of bowl games are meaningless.

Says the guy who is butthurt about the perception of the SEC

The butthurt is centered around their overrated regular season and how that overratedness will have an effect in the future when we got to a 4 – or 8 – team playoff (when the “post season” will actually matter).

To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year.  And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless. 

[DQ12]

i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:

1.  They go undefeated
2.  They lose one game and beat a good team

NIU does not fit either of these.

That would be fine with me, too, as long as we can be liberal enough with the term "mid-major" to include teams like Wisconsin, Louisville, and Florida State this season.

Well those aren't mid-majors.

[Shacks]

i'm cool with mid-majors going to a bcs bowl if:

1.  They go undefeated
2.  They lose one game and beat a good team

NIU does not fit either of these.

That would be fine with me, too, as long as we can be liberal enough with the term "mid-major" to include teams like Wisconsin, Louisville, and Florida State this season.

Well those aren't mid-majors.

Yeah, but there should be a rule that any conference whose champion is ranked below 15 forfeits its automatic BCS bid

[DQ12]

Nah.  BCS conference winners deserve it. 

[Shacks]

Nah.  BCS conference winners deserve it.

So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl?  No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in.  No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.

[DQ12]

Nah.  BCS conference winners deserve it.

So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl?  No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in.  No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.

I don't think NIU should be allowed in in the first place so we're talking about two different things.

[Shacks]

Nah.  BCS conference winners deserve it.

So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl?  No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in.  No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.

I don't think NIU should be allowed in in the first place so we're talking about two different things.

I agree with you, but unfortunately that isn't an option because the BCS doesn't feel like dealing with an antitrust lawsuit.  Given that NIU not getting in isn't an option, the rules should be amended so that the BCS conference which allows in the midmajor surrenders its automatic bid to them.

[bunter]

Nah.  BCS conference winners deserve it.

So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl?  No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in.  No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.

It was planned in the same meetings as adding Rutgers and Maryland. If they could only get one in they were goin to make damn sure that's all we got, too.

[DQ12]

Nah.  BCS conference winners deserve it.

So the Big 12 should get screwed out of a second BCS bid because the Big Ten and Big East sucked enough this year to allow NIU into a BCS bowl?  No, that money and that bid should come directly from the conference that was shitty enough to allow a one-loss midmajor in.  No reason for the Big 12 to be collateral damage because of how terrible the Big Ten and Big East were.

I don't think NIU should be allowed in in the first place so we're talking about two different things.

I agree with you, but unfortunately that isn't an option because the BCS doesn't feel like dealing with an antitrust lawsuit.  Given that NIU not getting in isn't an option, the rules should be amended so that the BCS conference which allows in the midmajor surrenders its automatic bid to them.

There wouldn't be an anti-trust issue if there were still ways for mid-majors teams to get, like the process I advocated above:

Either undefeated, or one loss + one win over a good team (top 20 bcs team or something).

That would be fair. That's what boise always did.

[ChiComCat]

As far as Auto-Bids, there really needs to be exceptions for conferences with teams on probation.  If your conference championship has a team that qualified due to a probationary team being ineligible, wins it, and is not in the top 20, you lose your autobid.

At least they're pulling the Big East's.

[DQ12]

As far as Auto-Bids, there really needs to be exceptions for conferences with teams on probation.  If your conference championship has a team that qualified due to a probationary team being ineligible, wins it, and is not in the top 20, you lose your autobid.

At least they're pulling the Big East's.

That works for me.

[michigancat]

To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year.  And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless. 

the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think NIU being in is good for football. We don't need arbitrary rules to make college football more exclusive than it already is. It's just ridiculous that if the best team in a BCS conference can't crack the top 16, some other good team loses its spot to the mid-major. I think NIU will give FSU a pretty good game, and it is probably the second best matchup in the BCS bowls, excluding the championship game.

[catzacker]

To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year.  And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless. 

the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.

Here’s my sarcastic (admittingly) flawed response:

LHC Bill Snyder has as many conference championships as Mack Brown in the Big 12. 

LHC Bill Snyder has had 12 seasons in which he’s won 9 or more games, same as Mack Brown.

Clearly, just being good is enough.

[Rage Against the McKee]

To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year.  And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless. 

the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.

Here’s my sarcastic (admittingly) flawed response:

LHC Bill Snyder has as many conference championships as Mack Brown in the Big 12. 

LHC Bill Snyder has had 12 seasons in which he’s won 9 or more games, same as Mack Brown.

Clearly, just being good is enough.

Mack has also coached 3 more seasons than Bill.

[michigancat]

To rusty’s point, that would be the only way in which they have any impact on anything…that being said the SEC could lose every single bowl and they’d all get 5 teams in the top 10 preseason next year.  And teams like OU and UT will get “the benefit of the doubt” and get put in the top 15 regardless. 

the solution is to get better. Oregon used to not get the benefit of the doubt, but they do now.

Here’s my sarcastic (admittingly) flawed response:

LHC Bill Snyder has as many conference championships as Mack Brown in the Big 12. 

LHC Bill Snyder has had 12 seasons in which he’s won 9 or more games, same as Mack Brown.

Clearly, just being good is enough.

Mack also had a run of 9 years with 10 plus wins before his recent hiccups. He wasn't in the preseason top 25 immediately following his only losing season. So I think your UT butthurt is misplaced - there is no evidence that they will be unfairly placed in the preseason top 25.

That being said, Snyder got the benefit of the doubt you are referring to in 2004 when we started the season #12(!).

[catzacker]

yeah, no, I agree.  That one year was sure awesome.  I remember last year winning 10 games and then ending up at, what, 21st this year?  Yeah.  10 wins.