NIU

[unleashthemob]

Just goes to show the total disrespect that they have for us...I mean seriously, last year, we deserved the sugar, yet we got passed up, yet they give a piece of crap team like NIU a BCS bowl, give me a break...more reason the system need a real play off...

[catzacker]

I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.

the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....

Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.

wut

KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan.  OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss.  LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona.   GMAFB.  I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Jfc catzackery just destroyed KC

[Shacks]

I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.

the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....

Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.

wut

KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan.  OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss.  LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona.   GMAFB.  I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.

Add in the number of teams per conference (10/14) and the number of OOC games (3/4) and the SEC should play more good OOC games than the Big 12.  They have 56 OOC games and the Big 12 only has 30.  That's almost twice as many but they don't play twice as many good teams in their OOC games.

[kim carnes]

I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.

the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....

Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.

wut

KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan.  OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss.  LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona.   GMAFB.  I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.

you just made my argument for me.  they went 4-0, we went 2-2.

[MixBerryCrunch]

I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.

the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....

Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.

wut

KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan.  OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss.  LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona.   GMAFB.  I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.

you just made my argument for me.  they went 4-0, we went 2-2.

lol no kimmy. look at all the shitty ooc losses they had.

[Panjandrum]

Just goes to show the total disrespect that they have for us...I mean seriously, last year, we deserved the sugar, yet we got passed up, yet they give a piece of crap team like NIU a BCS bowl, give me a break...more reason the system need a real play off...

Not the same.  We were passed up for an ACC at-large.

OU got passed up because NIU got in on the "please don't file an anti-trust suit against the BCS" clause.

I mean, really, for this to actually happen, the Big Ten had to have a historically awful season AND have an undefeated ineligible in the post-season.  This is something that would happen, maybe, once in twenty years.

[AbeFroman]

I don't get why we have to root for NIU just because the douchebags at ESPN don't like them. I hate ESPN too, but c'mon NIU is dogshit.

[catzacker]

I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.

the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....

Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.

wut

KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan.  OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss.  LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona.   GMAFB.  I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.

you just made my argument for me.  they went 4-0, we went 2-2.

The big 12 had 80% of the league w/ winning records, the SEC had 57% of it's league. 

The bottom half of the SEC had a winning % of .392,  the Big 12 has a .467.  Basically, you played a 4-7 team half the time in the SEC, in the big 12 you played a 6-6 team. 

If you played in the Big 12, you were guaranteed to have played atleast 8 of your 9 conf games against a bowl eligible team.

[unleashthemob]

I don't get why we have to root for NIU just because the douchebags at ESPN don't like them. I hate ESPN too, but c'mon NIU is dogshit.

[kim carnes]

I enjoy the "Look at NIU's scehdule" bullshit spilling out of ESPN's collective mouth, meanwhile like half of the SEC doesn't have a winning record and it doesn't stop that network from sucking that conference off.

the SEC has better wins out of conference than the big 12....

Well If we played in as shitty of a conference as the SEC, we'd need to do something in the OOC.

wut

KSU played a 7-5 Miami, Alabama played a 8-4 Michigan.  OU played a 12-0 ND team, Florida played a 10-2 FSU, Georgia played a 6-6 GT, Texas played a 6-6 Ole Miss.  LSU played a 7-5 Washinton, OSU played a 7-5 Arizona.   GMAFB.  I mean, yeah, the SEC won more of those games (4-0 vs. 2-2) , but relative to their dogshit conference schedules, it's at best a push.

you just made my argument for me.  they went 4-0, we went 2-2.

The big 12 had 80% of the league w/ winning records, the SEC had 57% of it's league. 

The bottom half of the SEC had a winning % of .392,  the Big 12 has a .467.  Basically, you played a 4-7 team half the time in the SEC, in the big 12 you played a 6-6 team. 

If you played in the Big 12, you were guaranteed to have played atleast 8 of your 9 conf games against a bowl eligible team.

i would rather play a bunch of mediocre teams (like in the big 12) than 2 or 3 really good teams (like in the sec).  but thats just me.  the majority of people agree that the SEC is the best conference.  they have as many teams in the top 6 as the big 12 has in the top 25.

[catzacker]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

also, though undeserving, those same assholes will be in the top 10 next year....won't play each other so they won't have a loss...and then stay there because they will have played a dogshit conf schedule and will only lose 1 game.  Meanwhile, instead of taking the SEC's male genitals out of its mouth and actually looking at who the hell they have played, Herbie will be pimping the SEC.

[Shacks]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

[kim carnes]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU.  That is tough.  A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama.  They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.

[Barry McCockner]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU.  That is tough.  A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama.  They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.

Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?

[kim carnes]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU.  That is tough.  A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama.  They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.

Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?

i dunno, bro.  we'll find out after the cotton bowl.

[Barry McCockner]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU.  That is tough.  A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama.  They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.

Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?

i dunno, bro.  we'll find out after the cotton bowl.

I don't know either, I just find it curious that all SEC teams are ranked as high as can POSSIBLY be justified.  Of course, they are ranked there by the same people who voted NIU as high as they are and are now bitching about the result they created, which is amusing.  Does Herbstreit have an AP or Harris vote?  If so, where does he have NIU?

Example:  Chris Fowler thinks NIU is better than Wisconsin, Nebraska, Baylor, Texas, etc.  Does he really rough ridin' believe that after they lost to Iowa and barely beat KU and Army?  No, he doesn't REALLY think that, he's just rough ridin' moving them up when people lose ahead of them, regardless of who that loss is too.  These people deserve NIU/FSU.

[Shacks]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU.  That is tough.  A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama.  They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.

LSU and Florida had pretty tough schedules because they had two hard draws from the other division, and Florida played Florida State too.  All the other good SEC teams basically played two or three games against teams with a pulse and the rest were against awful teams.  The SEC has more top-tier teams than the Big 12, but they also have a lot more cupcakes.  Also, their top teams wouldn't be perceived to be as strong if they all actually played each other because they would have more losses...just like in the Big 12.

Only two SEC teams played nine conference games.  Every Big 12 team played nine.  People really underestimate how tough that is.  While Alabama was playing Western Carolina, we were playing in Waco.  Imagine how different this season is if we got to replace that game with a paycheck game vs some directional scrub.

[Belvis Noland]

Jfc, we hate NIU b/c they knocked out OU, which means less $$$ in our pocket - which is all we care about. 

Case closed.

And like Herbie said, they lost to Iowa, the worst team in the big 10.  Can't believe were even discussing this.

[MixBerryCrunch]

kim, don't being rough ridin' naive.  those teams are in the top 10 because they didn't have to play each other.  Add 1 or 2 more losses to each of them and they are scattered throughout the top 25.  Instead, they get to hide from each other and pretend to be a tough conference.  but whatever.  I'm sure you believe in Santa because everyone says he exists.

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Alabama, Georgia, Texas A&M and South Carolina all only played one out of the three good teams in the other division.  Florida and LSU are the only SEC teams that played two out of the three good teams in the other division.  None of them had to play all three of the good teams in the other division because they're a bunch of cowards who only play eight conference games in a 14 team conference.

Teams get artificially inflated records and rankings when they miss 5/7ths of the other division.  Imagine if KSU didn't have to play Baylor.

South Carolina played UGA, Florida, and LSU.  That is tough.  A&M played Florida, LSU, and Bama.  They both lost 2 of those games and are ranked below us where they belong.

Should they be ranked ahead of OU who lost to #1 & #5?

There is no use in arguing with Kimmy. He will take the dumbass side every time simply because that is what he does.

[OB_Won]

SEC is extremely top heavy and thus mildly overrated.  Big 12 isn't overly strong at the top, but is difficult throughout.  Part of the reason SEC is overrated is because nobody else beats them in BCS and Cotton Bowl.  If you want to be the best you have to beat the best.  KSU should have beaten Arkansas last year when they had the chance.

[pvegs]

Jfc, we hate NIU b/c they knocked out OU, which means less $$$ in our pocket - which is all we care about. 

Case closed.

And like Herbie said, they lost to Iowa, the worst team in the big 10.  Can't believe were even discussing this.

Exactly.  To put it in perspective Iowa St and West Va both go 13-0 vs the same schedule as NIU.

[Domino]

Wouldn't it be better for the finances of NIU to not accept the Oranje Bowl bid? The university is going to lose millions of dollars due to be contractually locked into buying 17,500 tickets. UConn lost millions when they went to the Fiesta to get crushed by OU.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Wouldn't it be better for the finances of NIU to not accept the Oranje Bowl bid? The university is going to lose millions of dollars due to be contractually locked into buying 17,500 tickets. UConn lost millions when they went to the Fiesta to get crushed by OU.

If NIU were to win this game, though, it would be incredible for the football program. NIU drew another team in FSU who really wouldn't be good enough to be in a BCS bowl if they weren't in such a shitty conference. They just might win.

[ZappaCat]

Jfc, we hate NIU b/c they knocked out OU, which means less $$$ in our pocket - which is all we care about. 

Case closed.

And like Herbie said, they lost to Iowa, the worst team in the big 10.  Can't believe were even discussing this.

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