Danny Clinkscale: Truth serum

[kso_FAN]

Just like old times here.

Congrats Beems.

[Mr Bread]

football is much more difficult than bball b/c you've got to go undefeated (sans SEC schools). 

Cindarellas don't make it to Championship game in football.  Final 4 is full is cindarellas.

Disagree.  Basketball is much more difficult because you have to win six games in a row in a single elimination format, and you have to do it all on the biggest stage in sports.

oscar Weber did it.

No he didn't.

Yeah, he did.

Again, no he didn't.  He didn't make it to the championship game in football, either.

Because it's harder.

[Ira Hayes]

Would you rather win the NCAA basketball Tournament or the College World Series?

Basketball is higher profile (slightly), but the CWS would be harder.  I can't decide.

[420seriouscat69]

Beems, why did the phog get all butthurt and ban all the K-State posters just cause you guys lost a basketball game? I'll listen off the air, TIA.

[OregonSmock]

The last time KU won at Oklahoma and also beat Kansas State in the same year was 1975. The Jayhawks finished 7-5 that year.

So easy it's a joke.

Your whole argument is based on the toughness of winning at Oklahoma.  Sure, it's tough.  It's also tough to win at Allen Fieldhouse, but if a team does it, they still have to play in an NCAA tournament where they will have to win six straight games.  Imagine if K-State had to play Oklahoma again in a Big 12 title game, and then they had to beat Louisiana Tech, Texas A&M, and Oregon to win a national title.  That's how it is in college hoops.

[OregonSmock]

football is much more difficult than bball b/c you've got to go undefeated (sans SEC schools). 

Cindarellas don't make it to Championship game in football.  Final 4 is full is cindarellas.

Disagree.  Basketball is much more difficult because you have to win six games in a row in a single elimination format, and you have to do it all on the biggest stage in sports.

oscar Weber did it.

No he didn't.

Yeah, he did.

Again, no he didn't.  He didn't make it to the championship game in football, either.

Because it's harder.

Actually it's because he coaches basketball.

[OregonSmock]

Would you rather win the NCAA basketball Tournament or the College World Series?

Basketball is higher profile (slightly), but the CWS would be harder.  I can't decide.

How is the CWS series harder?  Do you not understand the statistical difference in winning a six game, single elimination tournament vs. a series that's best out of five?

[Belvis Noland]

Multiple teams outside of the SEC have won national titles without going undefeated.

Since the BCS was created, this is false.  Every team outside the SEC to win a MNC since '97 has been undefeated.  Only non-undefeated champions are LSU ('03, '07), Florida ('06, '08), Bama ('11).   

 

[Ira Hayes]

Again, no he didn't.  He didn't make it to the championship game in football, either.

My God you are amusing. Have you ever heard of Roy Williams?

Or did you just completely erase all of the bad memories?

[mocat]

You have not responded to me destroying your "Big 12 is a mediocre conference" talking point.

But that's ok. True or False: if K-State lost 1 of its previous 10 games, or loses 1 of its next 2 games, it will still play in the national championship game.

[OregonSmock]

Multiple teams outside of the SEC have won national titles without going undefeated.

Since the BCS was created, this is false.  Every team outside the SEC to win a MNC since '97 has been undefeated.  Only non-undefeated champions are LSU ('03, '07), Florida ('06, '08), Bama ('11).   

 

Seems like you're making the argument that it's harder to win the SEC than it is to win a BCS title.  I would agree with that.

[mocat]

Multiple teams outside of the SEC have won national titles without going undefeated.

Since the BCS was created, this is false.  Every team outside the SEC to win a MNC since '97 has been undefeated.  Only non-undefeated champions are LSU ('03, '07), Florida ('06, '08), Bama ('11).   

 

Seems like you're making the argument that it's harder to win the SEC than it is to win a BCS title.  I would agree with that.

That's weird because LSU did the hard part but lost in the NC game. 

[Belvis Noland]

Since the BCS was created, this is false.  Every team outside the SEC to win a MNC since '97 has been undefeated.  Only non-undefeated champions are LSU ('03, '07), Florida ('06, '08), Bama ('11).   
 

Wait, what?

[AbeFroman]

Disagree.  Basketball is much more difficult because you have to win six games in a row in a single elimination format, and you have to do it all on the biggest stage in sports.

In Football, you have to win 12 games in a row in a single elimination format (sans SEC schools), and you have to do it all on THE biggest stage in sports.  And when I say biggest stage in sports, I mean highest TV viewership.

This year is a pretty perfect example.  Bama is the best team in America and because of a poor 1st quarter against A&M in week 10, their path to the MNC is now beyond their control.

LSU won a national title with 2 losses.  This myth that you have to go undefeated is cute, but it's simply not true.

Holy crap you are pants on head Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Multiple teams outside of the SEC have won national titles without going undefeated.

Non-SEC teams to win a BCS title:
1999 Florida State - 12-0
2000 Oklahoma - 13-0
2001 Miami - 12-0
2002 Ohio St - 14-0
2004 USC (vacated) - 13-0
2005 Texas - 13-0

Beems just now:

[Mr Bread]

football is much more difficult than bball b/c you've got to go undefeated (sans SEC schools). 

Cindarellas don't make it to Championship game in football.  Final 4 is full is cindarellas.

Disagree.  Basketball is much more difficult because you have to win six games in a row in a single elimination format, and you have to do it all on the biggest stage in sports.

oscar Weber did it.

No he didn't.

Yeah, he did.

Again, no he didn't.  He didn't make it to the championship game in football, either.

Because it's harder.

Actually it's because he coaches basketball.

I accept your surrender, pepperjax.

[XocolateThundarr]

 

[Ira Hayes]

Would you rather win the NCAA basketball Tournament or the College World Series?

Basketball is higher profile (slightly), but the CWS would be harder.  I can't decide.

How is the CWS series harder?  Do you not understand the statistical difference in winning a six game, single elimination tournament vs. a series that's best out of five?

Best out of five? You have no idea how the CWS works.

[OregonSmock]

The Big 12 is looking more and more mediocre as the season goes along.  I just don't see how you can argue that going undefeated in this year's Big 12 is really that much of a challenge.

  1  BIG 12              (A) =  81.92      81.92  (  1)     10      81.96  (  1)
   2  SOUTHEASTERN        (A) =  80.94      80.90  (  2)     14      80.98  (  2)
   3  PAC-12              (A) =  79.90      78.72  (  3)     12      79.29  (  3)
   4  BIG TEN             (A) =  75.39      74.70  (  4)     12      74.88  (  4)
   5  I-A INDEPENDENTS    (A) =  73.67      73.69  (  5)      4      73.67  (  5)
   6  BIG EAST            (A) =  70.06      69.53  (  7)      8      69.59  (  7)
   7  ATLANTIC COAST      (A) =  69.68      70.05  (  6)     12      69.92  (  6)
   8  SUN BELT            (A) =  64.94      64.52  (  9)     10      64.58  (  8)
   9  MOUNTAIN WEST       (A) =  63.82      64.61  (  8)     10      64.46  (  9)
  10  WESTERN ATHLETIC    (A) =  63.46      63.86  ( 10)      7      63.73  ( 10)
  11  MISSOURI VALLEY     (AA)=  60.99      59.98  ( 13)     10      60.32  ( 13)
  12  MID-AMERICAN        (A) =  60.80      60.63  ( 12)     13      60.68  ( 12)
  13  CONFERENCE USA      (A) =  60.63      61.10  ( 11)     12      61.00  ( 11)
  14  BIG SKY             (AA)=  55.41      54.90  ( 14)     13      55.21  ( 14)
  15  OHIO VALLEY         (AA)=  54.20      53.09  ( 16)      9      53.35  ( 15)
  16  SOUTHERN            (AA)=  53.89      53.19  ( 15)      9      53.31  ( 16)
  17  COLONIAL            (AA)=  53.54      51.37  ( 17)     11      52.18  ( 17)
  18  SOUTHLAND           (AA)=  50.23      50.78  ( 18)      8      50.52  ( 18)
  19  IVY LEAGUE          (AA)=  43.20      43.43  ( 19)      8      43.34  ( 19)
  20  PATRIOT LEAGUE      (AA)=  42.03      42.09  ( 20)      7      42.08  ( 20)
  21  MID-EASTERN         (AA)=  40.11      39.78  ( 21)     11      39.83  ( 21)
  22  NORTHEAST           (AA)=  38.99      39.43  ( 22)      9      39.35  ( 22)
  23  BIG SOUTH           (AA)=  37.67      38.74  ( 23)      7      38.23  ( 23)
  24  SOUTHWESTERN        (AA)=  34.85      35.14  ( 24)     10      35.08  ( 24)
  25  PIONEER             (AA)=  32.76      31.45  ( 25)     10      32.15  ( 25)
  26  ***UNRATED***       (**)= -90.00     -90.00  ( 26)      1     -90.00  ( 26)

The Big 12 is good on paper.  I'll give you that.  I'm not sure how anyone could argue that it's better than the SEC, though.  The Big 12 has less bad teams than the SEC, but that's mainly because it's a smaller conference now.  K-State is by far and away the best team in the Big 12, with Oklahoma a distant second.  Outside of that, I just don't see much to write home about.  The SEC has BCS #4 through #9. 

[OregonSmock]

Multiple teams outside of the SEC have won national titles without going undefeated.

Since the BCS was created, this is false.  Every team outside the SEC to win a MNC since '97 has been undefeated.  Only non-undefeated champions are LSU ('03, '07), Florida ('06, '08), Bama ('11).   

 

Seems like you're making the argument that it's harder to win the SEC than it is to win a BCS title.  I would agree with that.

That's weird because LSU did the hard part but lost in the NC game. 

Other way around.  It was more difficult for Alabama to win the SEC than it was for them to win the BCS title.

[OregonSmock]

Disagree.  Basketball is much more difficult because you have to win six games in a row in a single elimination format, and you have to do it all on the biggest stage in sports.

In Football, you have to win 12 games in a row in a single elimination format (sans SEC schools), and you have to do it all on THE biggest stage in sports.  And when I say biggest stage in sports, I mean highest TV viewership.

This year is a pretty perfect example.  Bama is the best team in America and because of a poor 1st quarter against A&M in week 10, their path to the MNC is now beyond their control.

LSU won a national title with 2 losses.  This myth that you have to go undefeated is cute, but it's simply not true.

Holy crap you are pants on head Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Multiple teams outside of the SEC have won national titles without going undefeated.

Non-SEC teams to win a BCS title:
1999 Florida State - 12-0
2000 Oklahoma - 13-0
2001 Miami - 12-0
2002 Ohio St - 14-0
2004 USC (vacated) - 13-0
2005 Texas - 13-0

College football existed before the BCS.  National titles existed before the BCS.

[p1k3]

College football existed before the BCS.  National titles existed before the BCS.

not really

[mocat]

The Big 12 is looking more and more mediocre as the season goes along.  I just don't see how you can argue that going undefeated in this year's Big 12 is really that much of a challenge.

  1  BIG 12              (A) =  81.92      81.92  (  1)     10      81.96  (  1)
   2  SOUTHEASTERN        (A) =  80.94      80.90  (  2)     14      80.98  (  2)
   3  PAC-12              (A) =  79.90      78.72  (  3)     12      79.29  (  3)
   4  BIG TEN             (A) =  75.39      74.70  (  4)     12      74.88  (  4)
   5  I-A INDEPENDENTS    (A) =  73.67      73.69  (  5)      4      73.67  (  5)
   6  BIG EAST            (A) =  70.06      69.53  (  7)      8      69.59  (  7)
   7  ATLANTIC COAST      (A) =  69.68      70.05  (  6)     12      69.92  (  6)
   8  SUN BELT            (A) =  64.94      64.52  (  9)     10      64.58  (  8)
   9  MOUNTAIN WEST       (A) =  63.82      64.61  (  8)     10      64.46  (  9)
  10  WESTERN ATHLETIC    (A) =  63.46      63.86  ( 10)      7      63.73  ( 10)
  11  MISSOURI VALLEY     (AA)=  60.99      59.98  ( 13)     10      60.32  ( 13)
  12  MID-AMERICAN        (A) =  60.80      60.63  ( 12)     13      60.68  ( 12)
  13  CONFERENCE USA      (A) =  60.63      61.10  ( 11)     12      61.00  ( 11)
  14  BIG SKY             (AA)=  55.41      54.90  ( 14)     13      55.21  ( 14)
  15  OHIO VALLEY         (AA)=  54.20      53.09  ( 16)      9      53.35  ( 15)
  16  SOUTHERN            (AA)=  53.89      53.19  ( 15)      9      53.31  ( 16)
  17  COLONIAL            (AA)=  53.54      51.37  ( 17)     11      52.18  ( 17)
  18  SOUTHLAND           (AA)=  50.23      50.78  ( 18)      8      50.52  ( 18)
  19  IVY LEAGUE          (AA)=  43.20      43.43  ( 19)      8      43.34  ( 19)
  20  PATRIOT LEAGUE      (AA)=  42.03      42.09  ( 20)      7      42.08  ( 20)
  21  MID-EASTERN         (AA)=  40.11      39.78  ( 21)     11      39.83  ( 21)
  22  NORTHEAST           (AA)=  38.99      39.43  ( 22)      9      39.35  ( 22)
  23  BIG SOUTH           (AA)=  37.67      38.74  ( 23)      7      38.23  ( 23)
  24  SOUTHWESTERN        (AA)=  34.85      35.14  ( 24)     10      35.08  ( 24)
  25  PIONEER             (AA)=  32.76      31.45  ( 25)     10      32.15  ( 25)
  26  ***UNRATED***       (**)= -90.00     -90.00  ( 26)      1     -90.00  ( 26)

The Big 12 is good on paper.  I'll give you that.  I'm not sure how anyone could argue that it's better than the SEC, though.  The Big 12 has less bad teams than the SEC, but that's mainly because it's a smaller conference now.  K-State is by far and away the best team in the Big 12, with Oklahoma a distant second.  Outside of that, I just don't see much to write home about.  The SEC has BCS #4 through #9.

The SEC has seven great teams and seven unbelievably awful teams. The Big12 has 1 great team, 1 unbelievably awful team, and 8 good teams. The average favors the Big12 slightly. The problem with saying the SEC is ahead is that all those seven great teams do not play each other. Texas A&M may as well be in a different conference than South Carolina because they will never play each other, and therefore should not be used to help each other's SOS argument or perception.

[EllToPay]

Stop trolling, Beems.

[420seriouscat69]

Oh look guys, beems is losing another bbs battle. 

[OregonSmock]

Would you rather win the NCAA basketball Tournament or the College World Series?

Basketball is higher profile (slightly), but the CWS would be harder.  I can't decide.

How is the CWS series harder?  Do you not understand the statistical difference in winning a six game, single elimination tournament vs. a series that's best out of five?

Best out of five? You have no idea how the CWS works.

The College World Series or CWS is an annual baseball tournament held in Omaha, Nebraska that is the culmination of the NCAA Division I Baseball Championship, which determines the NCAA Division I college baseball champion. The eight teams are split into two, four-team, double-elimination brackets, with the winner of each bracket playing in the best-of-three championship series. The tournament takes place in June of each year.

Welp, looks like I was wrong.  It's best out of three.  And seriously, you're going to try to compare the CWS to the NCAA tournament?  That's pretty desperate, even for the most butthurt of butthurts.