This Team Is Better Than The 1998 Team

[kim carnes]

http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/KansasState.htm

Another thing to consider: the 1998 team played TWO games against teams with winning records on the road, and won both by a touchdown or less. The 2012 team played 4, and a 5th that went to a bowl (ISU). In 1998, they had a stretch of 4 games in a row against (Big 12) teams with losing records and just played 4 D1 teams with winning records in the regular season. 2012 played 8. You may want to consider that when you cleverly compare average ppg.

this year's big 12 is/was incredibly overrated.  records be damned.

[kso_FAN]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

[kim carnes]

the 98 team was better at like every position and had much better coaching.  i mean this isn't even close.

[steve dave]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

[kim carnes]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

last year's was like 100x tougher

[Stevesie60]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

last year's was like 100x tougher

It's like you aren't even trying anymore.

[kim carnes]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

last year's was like 100x tougher

It's like you aren't even trying anymore.

it was tougher, hence more losses.

[kso_FAN]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

last year's was like 100x tougher

It's like you aren't even trying anymore.

it was tougher, hence more losses.

#8 is not 100x greater than #18.

[kim carnes]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

last year's was like 100x tougher

It's like you aren't even trying anymore.

it was tougher, hence more losses.

#8 is not 100x greater than #18.

It is tougher though.

[Pete]

If I had to bet my life, or my loved ones' lives, on the outcome of a game between the 98 team and the 2012 team, I would not hesitate an instant to take the 98 team.   

Not one instant. 

[michigancat]

If I had to bet my life, or my loved ones' lives, on the outcome of a game between the 98 team and the 2012 team, I would not hesitate an instant to take the 98 team.   

Not one instant.

That's very reckless, Pete.

[kso_FAN]

If I had to bet my life, or my loved ones' lives, on the outcome of a game between the 98 team and the 2012 team, I would not hesitate an instant to take the 98 team.   

Not one instant.

That's very reckless, Pete.

Whatever the case, there needs to be a game with 98 Cats vs 12 Cats on it.

[wetwillie]

Que nuts kicked saying 2012 KU would kick 98's ass

[WillieWatanabe]

98 SOS = #56.
12 SOS = #18.

FWIW

yeah. chingon had good analysis earlier in the season about how this schedule was probably the toughest Bill had faced.

last year's was like 100x tougher

It's like you aren't even trying anymore.

it was tougher, hence more losses.

#8 is not 100x greater than #18.

It is tougher though.

BOOOM. oh man, great retort kc.

[kstatefreak42]

QB-98 team. Bishop is god.
RB-12 team
FB-12 team
WR-Not even close..12 team.
TE- TOSS UP.
OLINE-98 Team.
DLINE- 98 team.
LB- Not even close..98 team
CB- 12 team
S-12 team. I thought Milo and Ty were great together and always made the right play. and milo is a hard hitter!
K-Automatica Gramatica. 98 team
P-12 team.

[TheFormerKCCat]

QB-98 team. Bishop is god.
RB-12 team
FB-12 team
WR-Not even close..12 team.
TE- TOSS UP.
OLINE-98 Team.
DLINE- 98 team.
LB- Not even close..98 team
CB- 12 team
S-12 team. I thought Milo and Ty were great together and always made the right play. and milo is a hard hitter!
K-Automatica Gramatica. 98 team
P-12 team.

What the? Maybe I need to revisit and compare these rosters again. My memory may be fading. Has anybody already compared them side-by-side? ANY element of Defense going to '12 leads me to be suspicious...

[Ira Hayes]

QB-98 team. Bishop is god.
RB-12 team
FB-12 team
WR-Not even close..12 team.
TE- TOSS UP.
OLINE-98 Team.
DLINE- 98 team.
LB- Not even close..98 team
CB- 12 team
S-12 team. I thought Milo and Ty were great together and always made the right play. and milo is a hard hitter!
K-Automatica Gramatica. 98 team
P-12 team.

Anybody have the 2-deep from 98? This could be fun.

[steve dave]

Offense Was, iirc:

McDonald
Swift
11th biggest line in all of football including NFL or whatever
Bish
Goolsby
Hickson or Lawrence or Charles or whatever pud
Lockett

[steve dave]

Deffense was, iirc:

Beisel
Fatafehi?
other DT?
Howard
Simoneau
Kelly
Ochs
Butler
Cooper
Chapman
Carter

[Ira Hayes]

Offense Was, iirc:
McDonald
Swift
11th biggest line in all of football including NFL or whatever
Bish
Goolsby
Hickson or Lawrence or Charles or whatever pud
Lockett

McDonald << Harper
Swift or - tossup
Big line or Charlie Dickey line - tossup
Goolsby or Wilson - tossup
Bishop's mistakes or Klein's concussion - tossup
Hickson/Lawrence or Hubert - tossup
Baby Lockett << Little Baby Lockett

[bigwillie20]

QB-98 team. Bishop is god.
RB-12 team
FB-12 team
WR-Not even close..12 team.
TE- TOSS UP.
OLINE-98 Team.
DLINE- 98 team.
LB- Not even close..98 team
CB- 12 team
S-12 team. I thought Milo and Ty were great together and always made the right play. and milo is a hard hitter!
K-Automatica Gramatica. 98 team
P-12 team.

What the? Maybe I need to revisit and compare these rosters again. My memory may be fading. Has anybody already compared them side-by-side? ANY element of Defense going to '12 leads me to be suspicious...

That '98 secondary was pretty good iirc.  Butler, Carter, Chapman, Cooper, etc.

[Ira Hayes]

Deffense was, iirc:

Beisel
Fatafehi?
other DT?
Howard
Simoneau
Kelly
Ochs
Butler
Cooper
Chapman
Carter

98 D-line was better, but Meshak is definitely in the rotation.
Arthur Brown is better than all three of those LBs, but nobody else from '12 is.
'12 DBs are about the same.

[Ira Hayes]

'12 DBs are about the same.

I take that back. '98 DBs didn't face anything like what '12 did.  '12 in a landslide.

[TheFormerKCCat]

Deffense was, iirc:

Beisel
Fatafehi?
other DT?
Howard
Simoneau
Kelly
Ochs
Butler
Cooper
Chapman
Carter

Pretty much as I suspected. Who from '12 sneaks into that starting 11? Arthur? Ty? Meshak? Ira, I'm not sure on what planet this year's DBs are better than Coop, Chap, Butler & Carter (didn't we also have Neasman or somebody in nickle situations?).

IMHO, no unit of the '12 defense is better than the '98 defense. That year's D was definitely vintage 

[steve dave]

, I'm not sure on what planet this year's DBs are better than Coop, Chap, Butler & Carter (didn't we also have Neasman or somebody in nickle situations?).

Zim plays ahead of either coop or chapman. nigel ahead of either butler or carter. I think you are too high on them because they beat up on a lot of really bad teams. also, as ira noted, they didn't play a single team that threw the ball well (until Purdue who whooped their ass). Neasman was also very meh.