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[Rage Against the McKee]

The predicted margin is understandable when you look at the numbers. ISU has advantages in only two areas that I see; interceptions and yards per play allowed on defense. But points per play given up is pretty much the same, and K-State has huge advantages when you compare offensive efficiency, return games, and turnover margin. Granted, the game isn't played on paper, but K-State has advantages across the board and unless ISU can force turnovers, its unlikely they should beat us, even in Ames. K-State should win by 10-14; I see this game being similar to our game against Tech last year.

That game against Tech was scary as crap. This one will not be like that. Cats coast to easy win and we all party.

I mean the way the game went down. Tech led much of the first half, some of the 3rd quarter, then we took control. I could see ISU doing that as well. Tech hit a FG late to make a 7 point game, but most of the 4th quarter felt like we were going to win. JMO.

I don't think ISU will outgain us by 100 yards like Tech did. We were very fortunate to win that ball game, and I think ISU would be very fortunate to keep the game within 14.

[kso_FAN]

Moving forward, the talent discrepancy between ksu and its opponent is either a push or in favor of the opposition.  I don’t understand the unbridled optimism (albeit some of it a facade) about this team.    This team is good, but every single game moving forward will be based on us executing  - we simply don’t have the talent to cover mistakes – and it’s tough to expect them to play at the “perfect” level game in and game out.  In many ways, I liken it to Frank’s teams – they require(d) consistent effort and when it wasn’t there then we were going to lose, regardless of the opponent because we didn’t have the talent to make up for it. 

I think there is some optimism because this team has shown its pretty damn good at executing, especially offensively.

[kso_FAN]

I don't think ISU will outgain us by 100 yards like Tech did. We were very fortunate to win that ball game, and I think ISU would be very fortunate to keep the game within 14.

I agree with this.

I suppose Tech was a poor choice; the main comparison was that for 3 quarters or so it was very close, but I really felt like we took control in the 4th quarter of that game. I think we'll do the same in Ames b/c that's what good teams do.

[steve dave]

I mean, we beat OU in Norman who destroyed TTech in Lubbock who destroyed ISU in Ames. 

[steve dave]

That garbage TTech team outgained ISU 395 to 189 in Ames

[MixBerryCrunch]

Not nervous at all about ISU.  Easy win.

[kso_FAN]

Here's the thing about our team; our defense is putting up good numbers, average YPP and above average PPP. But our offense and special teams are not just above average, they are elite. And IMO the sample size is big enough now to register those marks as elite. Iowa State is solid, and they had the upset of OK St last year, so respecting them is understandable. But the point is simple; if we come to play and minimize mistakes we'll win convincingly in Ames. Period.

[sys]

I respect your opinion, but you've never fought toy breeds have you? Those delusional little bastards just don't care. I'm telling you, sys, it's a real eye-opener.

i think you mean aggression, not fight.  a smaller dog can be as aggressive as eff but he's not going to have the fight of a larger dog.  by fight, i mean the ability of a dog to negatively impact another dog's morale through the application of force.  just the other day i had a toy pit bull that was super aggressive, so i put him up against a friend's standard staffordshire.  needless to say, the toy spent his aggression on the larger dog, but to no avail, and the staffy was able to apply his superior fight to destroy the toy pb's morale.  i've seen that same scenario over and over again, so i remain convinced that there is indeed a very strong correlation between a dog's size and his fight.

[Dugout DickStone]

TCU was reeling Saturday and ISU jumped on them early.

[XocolateThundarr]

Here's the thing about our team; our defense is putting up good numbers, average YPP and above average PPP. But our offense and special teams are not just above average, they are elite. And IMO the sample size is big enough now to register those marks as elite. Iowa State is solid, and they had the upset of OK St last year, so respecting them is understandable. But the point is simple; if we come to play and minimize mistakes we'll win convincingly in Ames. Period.

 

[catzacker]

Moving forward, the talent discrepancy between ksu and its opponent is either a push or in favor of the opposition.  I don’t understand the unbridled optimism (albeit some of it a facade) about this team.    This team is good, but every single game moving forward will be based on us executing  - we simply don’t have the talent to cover mistakes – and it’s tough to expect them to play at the “perfect” level game in and game out.  In many ways, I liken it to Frank’s teams – they require(d) consistent effort and when it wasn’t there then we were going to lose, regardless of the opponent because we didn’t have the talent to make up for it. 

I think there is some optimism because this team has shown its pretty damn good at executing, especially offensively.

I am (cautiously) optimistic, however I don’t think we are winning games by larger than a 1 score margin from here on out.  I simply can’t see us executing like we need to in order to win every…single…week.  It’s extraordinarily difficult to do and the idea that not only will we execute, but so well that we can just say “yeah, we’re going to win by 2 scores on the road” is absurd to me.  When I see the cockiness without some type of caveat it makes me think people don’t understand how this team wins ball games.  They have to squeeze every ounce of talent out of themselves AND then couple that with consistent (and relatively speaking near optimal) execution. I may not be giving this team as much credit as it deserves, but it just seems like we are operating beyond our means and at some point we have to come back down.

[steve dave]

catzacker, I think you are underestimating the talent we have on this team. we are a very talented team.

[Dugout DickStone]

Moving forward, the talent discrepancy between ksu and its opponent is either a push or in favor of the opposition.  I don’t understand the unbridled optimism (albeit some of it a facade) about this team.    This team is good, but every single game moving forward will be based on us executing  - we simply don’t have the talent to cover mistakes – and it’s tough to expect them to play at the “perfect” level game in and game out.  In many ways, I liken it to Frank’s teams – they require(d) consistent effort and when it wasn’t there then we were going to lose, regardless of the opponent because we didn’t have the talent to make up for it. 

I think there is some optimism because this team has shown its pretty damn good at executing, especially offensively.

I am (cautiously) optimistic, however I don’t think we are winning games by larger than a 1 score margin from here on out.  I simply can’t see us executing like we need to in order to win every…single…week.  It’s extraordinarily difficult to do and the idea that not only will we execute, but so well that we can just say “yeah, we’re going to win by 2 scores on the road” is absurd to me.  When I see the cockiness without some type of caveat it makes me think people don’t understand how this team wins ball games.  They have to squeeze every ounce of talent out of themselves AND then couple that with consistent (and relatively speaking near optimal) execution. I may not be giving this team as much credit as it deserves, but it just seems like we are operating beyond our means and at some point we have to come back down.

Agreed.  We are like smallish 8th graders playing in the SEC.  It's a wonder there aren't at least 5 of our players killed every game.  Just a miracle.  One misstep and it is certain death for most of these little fellows.

T's & P's.

["storm"nut]

My tornado in a snow storm prediction.

We beat ISU this weekend. We beat WV Next Saturday, ISU beats WV this year.   

[steve dave]

My tornado in a snow storm prediction.

We be WV Sunday, ISU beats WV this year. We beat ISU this weekend. 

welp

[kso_FAN]

catzacker, I think you are underestimating the talent we have on this team. we are a very talented team.

The efficiency numbers on offense are clear. We had two game last year where we averaged 6.0 YPP or better, 7.4 YPP against KU and 6.42 against Miami. This year we have one game UNDER 6.0; 5.8 YPP at OU, every other game is 7.0 YPP or better. That 5.8 YPP vs OU would've been our 4th best output all of last season.

And then I look at how we faired against ISU last year; 5.98 YPP was our third best game of the year. While I think ISU might be slightly better than last year, I think we are considerably better. I believe you are being skewed by last year's results, and I definitely agree our win total by far exceeded what we should've been able to accomplish. However, this year I think we are just a really good team. Now, I think its likely we lose a couple games because our schedule is really hard, I just don't think in Ames will be one of them.

[Stevesie60]

Moving forward, the talent discrepancy between ksu and its opponent is either a push or in favor of the opposition.  I don’t understand the unbridled optimism (albeit some of it a facade) about this team.    This team is good, but every single game moving forward will be based on us executing  - we simply don’t have the talent to cover mistakes – and it’s tough to expect them to play at the “perfect” level game in and game out.  In many ways, I liken it to Frank’s teams – they require(d) consistent effort and when it wasn’t there then we were going to lose, regardless of the opponent because we didn’t have the talent to make up for it. 

I think there is some optimism because this team has shown its pretty damn good at executing, especially offensively.

I am (cautiously) optimistic, however I don’t think we are winning games by larger than a 1 score margin from here on out.  I simply can’t see us executing like we need to in order to win every…single…week.  It’s extraordinarily difficult to do and the idea that not only will we execute, but so well that we can just say “yeah, we’re going to win by 2 scores on the road” is absurd to me.  When I see the cockiness without some type of caveat it makes me think people don’t understand how this team wins ball games.  They have to squeeze every ounce of talent out of themselves AND then couple that with consistent (and relatively speaking near optimal) execution. I may not be giving this team as much credit as it deserves, but it just seems like we are operating beyond our means and at some point we have to come back down.

100% agreed. It's like we took Manhattan's worst pee wee league team and expect them to play college football. If you ask me, Stoops threw the game in Norman for us. I just don't see how we could have won it any other way.

Guys, it was a fun ride. When we go winless through the rest of our schedule, at least we'll still have each other.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Moving forward, the talent discrepancy between ksu and its opponent is either a push or in favor of the opposition.  I don’t understand the unbridled optimism (albeit some of it a facade) about this team.    This team is good, but every single game moving forward will be based on us executing  - we simply don’t have the talent to cover mistakes – and it’s tough to expect them to play at the “perfect” level game in and game out.  In many ways, I liken it to Frank’s teams – they require(d) consistent effort and when it wasn’t there then we were going to lose, regardless of the opponent because we didn’t have the talent to make up for it. 

I think there is some optimism because this team has shown its pretty damn good at executing, especially offensively.

I am (cautiously) optimistic, however I don’t think we are winning games by larger than a 1 score margin from here on out.  I simply can’t see us executing like we need to in order to win every…single…week.  It’s extraordinarily difficult to do and the idea that not only will we execute, but so well that we can just say “yeah, we’re going to win by 2 scores on the road” is absurd to me.  When I see the cockiness without some type of caveat it makes me think people don’t understand how this team wins ball games.  They have to squeeze every ounce of talent out of themselves AND then couple that with consistent (and relatively speaking near optimal) execution. I may not be giving this team as much credit as it deserves, but it just seems like we are operating beyond our means and at some point we have to come back down.

I think you're completely wrong. I think everyone who thinks this team is only as talented as an ISU team is completely wrong. To think this team needs to execute perfectly to win games against the likes of ISU or TTU is absurd. We have an elite offensive line, a very good d-line, very good linebackers, elite special teams, talented skills players, and a Heisman contender for QB. All around we are one of the top three most talented teams in the Big 12.

[8manpick]

Moving forward, the talent discrepancy between ksu and its opponent is either a push or in favor of the opposition.  I don’t understand the unbridled optimism (albeit some of it a facade) about this team.    This team is good, but every single game moving forward will be based on us executing  - we simply don’t have the talent to cover mistakes – and it’s tough to expect them to play at the “perfect” level game in and game out.  In many ways, I liken it to Frank’s teams – they require(d) consistent effort and when it wasn’t there then we were going to lose, regardless of the opponent because we didn’t have the talent to make up for it. 

I think there is some optimism because this team has shown its pretty damn good at executing, especially offensively.

I am (cautiously) optimistic, however I don’t think we are winning games by larger than a 1 score margin from here on out.  I simply can’t see us executing like we need to in order to win every…single…week.  It’s extraordinarily difficult to do and the idea that not only will we execute, but so well that we can just say “yeah, we’re going to win by 2 scores on the road” is absurd to me.  When I see the cockiness without some type of caveat it makes me think people don’t understand how this team wins ball games.  They have to squeeze every ounce of talent out of themselves AND then couple that with consistent (and relatively speaking near optimal) execution. I may not be giving this team as much credit as it deserves, but it just seems like we are operating beyond our means and at some point we have to come back down.

I think you are confusing the 2012 K-State 'Cats with the 2011 K-State 'Cats.

["storm"nut]

My tornado in a snow storm prediction.

We be WV Sunday, ISU beats WV this year. We beat ISU this weekend. 

welp

please update quote as I have correct my thread to something a little less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Thank You.

[GoodForAnother]

http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2012&org=311

 

http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?org=327&year=2012&week=6

 

[Mixed-Nutz]

When looking at last years numbers it is shocking we only won by 7. Someone needs to explain this, witchcraft?

[XocolateThundarr]

catzacker, I think you are underestimating the talent we have on this team. we are a very talented team.

The efficiency numbers on offense are clear. We had two game last year where we averaged 6.0 YPP or better, 7.4 YPP against KU and 6.42 against Miami. This year we have one game UNDER 6.0; 5.8 YPP at OU, every other game is 7.0 YPP or better. That 5.8 YPP vs OU would've been our 4th best output all of last season.

And then I look at how we faired against ISU last year; 5.98 YPP was our third best game of the year. While I think ISU might be slightly better than last year, I think we are considerably better. I believe you are being skewed by last year's results, and I definitely agree our win total by far exceeded what we should've been able to accomplish. However, this year I think we are just a really good team. Now, I think its likely we lose a couple games because our schedule is really hard, I just don't think in Ames will be one of them.

I think the toughest games left on the schedule for us are @WVU and Texas.  Not too worried about the others.  Pretty sure we handle ISU by at least two scores.

 

[8manpick]

I think the toughest games left on the schedule for us are @WVU and Texas.

O rly?

[kso_FAN]

When looking at last years numbers it is shocking we only won by 7. Someone needs to explain this, witchcraft?

KO return yardage given up and 3rd down conversions (both offense and defense).