K-State vs. West Virginia

[Pendergast]

Our team should score around 92 points and I think our D is better than Baylor's.

this is a dumb talking point

It's going to be a good game. We have the speed at linebacker to limit yac (which is what WVU earns a living on) and we have an offense that can eat up the clock and score points.

Say what? The eff we do. Linebacker play is our worst aspect in my opinion. Especially covering the spread offenses. When Walker's on the field, we're night and day better than when Childs is out there.

What the hell are you talking about??

I responded to your comment about our linebacker play limiting yac's by wvu, due to their speed. I totally disagree because I think Childs is the worst defender on our defense. Out of position on a lot of plays and usually a step too slow with initial reads. That's my opinion. Childs is very Hrebekish.

The key to stopping wvu will be this:

4. Corners and safeties not getting beat deep
3. Evans playing out of his mind
2. Dline getting pressure
1. Klein controlling ball and getting first downs.

You're wrong here, just flat out wrong.  LB is a strength of our defense.

[Lefty]

Our team should score around 92 points and I think our D is better than Baylor's.

this is a dumb talking point

It's going to be a good game. We have the speed at linebacker to limit yac (which is what WVU earns a living on) and we have an offense that can eat up the clock and score points.

Say what? The eff we do. Linebacker play is our worst aspect in my opinion. Especially covering the spread offenses. When Walker's on the field, we're night and day better than when Childs is out there.

What the hell are you talking about??

I responded to your comment about our linebacker play limiting yac's by wvu, due to their speed. I totally disagree because I think Childs is the worst defender on our defense. Out of position on a lot of plays and usually a step too slow with initial reads. That's my opinion. Childs is very Hrebekish.

The key to stopping wvu will be this:

4. Corners and safeties not getting beat deep
3. Evans playing out of his mind
2. Dline getting pressure
1. Klein controlling ball and getting first downs.

You're wrong here, just flat out wrong.  LB is a strength of our defense.

I don't think so. Do you watch Childs out there?

[bucket]

Childs plays mostly on third and longs. I'm happy when he plays.

[Pendergast]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

[Lefty]

Childs plays mostly on third and longs. I'm happy when he plays.

Childs plays every time there is a nickel set, 1 or no TE on offense in the game, which is pretty much all game long.

[Lefty]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

KSU_FAN, Madcat Please come school this respect.

[Legit Elite]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

Maybe Hrebec has some elibibility left...jfc

[POWL]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

sad to report.......this is a true fact......

[eastcat]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

sad to report.......this is a true fact......

God forbid one player on our team can't make every tackle....
 

[Stevesie60]

Lol at West Virginia. More like Worst Virginia. We will beat them and have two top 10 wins on the road in the first half of our season.

[bucket]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

A. Walker is not slow

B. You must have been an LB because it goes LB>D-Line>Secondary

[OK_Cat]

For this exercise, Kim Carnes will be playing the part of OKcat.

let me know how it works out for you, kim eers carnes

[Lefty]

bump for decent discussion

[nicname]

Don't know if already posted, but WVU had been pretty decent against the run. 

[Cire]

We'll need turnovers to win.  Could see a carbon copy off the osu game last year

[MixBerryCrunch]

Don't know if already posted, but WVU had been pretty decent against the run.

Probably because every team is too busy passing on their garbage secondary. Seriously, it is like the worst I've ever seen. Like ever.

[Legit Elite]

Don't know if already posted, but WVU had been pretty decent against the run.

Probably because every team is too busy passing on their garbage secondary. Seriously, it is like the worst I've ever seen. Like ever.

False...that award would go to the 2008 cats

[MixBerryCrunch]

Don't know if already posted, but WVU had been pretty decent against the run.

Probably because every team is too busy passing on their garbage secondary. Seriously, it is like the worst I've ever seen. Like ever.

False...that award would go to the 2008 cats

Wasn't Joshua Moore on the team then? If so then he alone was better than the whole WVU secondary.

[Ira Hayes]

Seriously, you think LB is a weakness for KSU?  It's not even worth arguing.

I'm saying Childs is a weakness for us... but if we're also nitpicking....arthur guesses too much and gets sealed in for huge gashes. but he usually makes up for it a play or 2 later. Mostly it's Childs I have the problem with. I'd rather have Walker out there who is supposedly the slower of the two.

sad to report.......this is a true fact......

Linebackers don't just sit there and guess what is coming. They are either on a stunt where they know exactly where they are going or they read what the linemen are doing and react the way they are taught. Arthur Brown never guesses.

[Panjandrum]

Don't know if already posted, but WVU had been pretty decent against the run.

Yeah, it's weird.  The numbers suggest that they're pretty good against the run, and their YPC numbers back that up.  The Tech game was a really significant anomaly.

We're the best rushing team they've faced this season by far, and I'm pretty sure Klein is the only dual threat QB they've faced all year.  But I'm not sure we'll be able to rush all over them.  I think we'd be pretty fortunate if we're able to get between 4.0-4.5 yards per carry in Morgantown.  We're going to have to hope that's enough to open up play action so we can go over the top.

They are also higher in the conference in Sacks and TFLs.  So, it seems like they're getting pressure on QBs and defending the run well enough.  They're giving up 10.1 yards per passing attempt against FBS competition, which is heads and shoulders worse than anyone in the conference (+1.6 ypa).

I'd like to see _FAN or Hatter weigh in on this, but I'm hoping that our running game is going to force them to commit at least a safety to run support, which would make their suspect secondary even weaker.  Also, with our type of running game, we've got the numbers on our side on every snap unless they do commit a lot of secondary level support, especially if we spread out the field.  So, I'm thinking there will be a lot of favorable matchups in the passing game, and our receivers are dangerous enough that if we get Harper, Lockett, or Thompson in space with one-on-one matchups, we should be able to put up big numbers without having the prolific passing attacks of Baylor, Tech, etc.

I'm thinking that we're going to be able to hold the ball for 30+ minutes and get over 500 yards of offense.  I feel pretty confident that we're going to get 40+ on them, but will that be enough?

[kim carnes]

they haven't exactly faced alot of running juggernauts

[AbeFroman]

Tech seemed to get a good amount of pressure on their oline and geno. How can we do that? Our dline is ok but not dominating

[Panjandrum]

Tech seemed to get a good amount of pressure on their oline and geno. How can we do that? Our dline is ok but not dominating

Our D-Line is better than people think.

If we're just looking at conference play, we're...

#2 in Total Defense (YPP)
#1 in Rushing Defense (YPP)
#2 in Pass Defense (YPA)
#1 in Scoring Defense (PPG)
#5 in Sacks (per game)
#4 in TFL (per game)
#3 in 3rd down conversion %
#2 in Red Zone Scoring %
#2 in Long Scrimmage Plays over 20 yards

The defense, in conference play, has been pretty good.

[MixBerryCrunch]

Tech seemed to get a good amount of pressure on their oline and geno. How can we do that? Our dline is ok but not dominating

Before this weeks game (haven't looked up the new stats yet) our D-Line had more sacks than any team in the Big 12. I read that the game plan for ISU wasn't set on getting a ton of pressure on the QB but more about making him beat us with his arm. That could explain the absence of sacks in that game.