Unions

[Institutional Control]

Why do conservatives hate them? They prefer low wages without benefits?

[steve dave]

well, the AA pilots union has pretty much mumped air travel on AA so I'm against them

[ben ji]

Not a big fan because I think I am more valuable to the company than alot of my co-workers, hence I dont want to be valued the same as them.

[Institutional Control]

well, the AA pilots union has pretty much mumped air travel on AA so I'm against them

Is it a coincidence that AA has problems negotiating with all the unions it deals with?

AA has to be the most mismanaged corporation ever.

[steve dave]

well, the AA pilots union has pretty much mumped air travel on AA so I'm against them

Is it a coincidence that AA has problems negotiating with all the unions it deals with?

AA has to be the most mismanaged corporation ever.

well, they are bankrupt in case you missed that

[Institutional Control]

well, the AA pilots union has pretty much mumped air travel on AA so I'm against them

Is it a coincidence that AA has problems negotiating with all the unions it deals with?

AA has to be the most mismanaged corporation ever.

well, they are bankrupt in case you missed that

When aren't they bankrupt?

[felix rex]

Not a big fan because I think I am more valuable to the company than alot of my co-workers, hence I dont want to be valued the same as them.

Yeah

[EMAWmeister]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

[Panjandrum]

Not a big fan because I think I am more valuable to the company than alot of my co-workers, hence I dont want to be valued the same as them.

Yeah

 

[Kat Kid]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

I'm looking.  What is your answer?

[EMAWmeister]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

I'm looking.  What is your answer?

Holding the Chicago Public School system hostage and having absurd demands like not being evaluated. I mean what the eff.

[Institutional Control]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

I'm looking.  What is your answer?

Holding the Chicago Public School system hostage and having absurd demands like not being evaluated. I mean what the eff.

I thought it was the method of the evaluation they were objecting to, they weren't demanding to not be evaluated.

[Paul Moscow]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

I'm looking.  What is your answer?

Holding the Chicago Public School system hostage and having absurd demands like not being evaluated. I mean what the eff.

I thought it was the method of the evaluation they were objecting to, they weren't demanding to not be evaluated.

Correct, they ended up getting student test scores to account for 30% of the overall teacher evaluation

[EMAWmeister]

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I thought it was the method of the evaluation they were objecting to, they weren't demanding to not be evaluated.<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br />Correct, they ended up getting student test scores to account for 30% of the overall teacher evaluation

So the rest is a combination of education and experience I presume?

[Kat Kid]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

I'm looking.  What is your answer?

Holding the Chicago Public School system hostage and having absurd demands like not being evaluated. I mean what the eff.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.  Illinois Law mandates that they are evaluated and it has a range of percents over what portion of their evaluations should come from student standardized test scores.  I bet you would not like it if at your job 40% of your eval (with an extra 5% increase every subsequent year) comes from how well the people on your team perform with zero regard to the effort or previous training of those working under you.  The incentives built in for teachers in such a system are obvious and mostly unproductive if the goal is raising student achievement.

[Paul Moscow]

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I thought it was the method of the evaluation they were objecting to, they weren't demanding to not be evaluated.<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br />Correct, they ended up getting student test scores to account for 30% of the overall teacher evaluation

So the rest is a combination of education and experience I presume?

No you dolt. The remaining 70% is mostly in-class observation (by the principal). The only part of teacher evaluations that is really different now than a month ago is that student surveys are no longer a part of the evaluation.

[EMAWmeister]

Look at the chicago teachers union and you'll have your answer.

I'm looking.  What is your answer?

Holding the Chicago Public School system hostage and having absurd demands like not being evaluated. I mean what the eff.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.  Illinois Law mandates that they are evaluated and it has a range of percents over what portion of their evaluations should come from student standardized test scores.  I bet you would not like it if at your job 40% of your eval (with an extra 5% increase every subsequent year) comes from how well the people on your team perform with zero regard to the effort or previous training of those working under you.  The incentives built in for teachers in such a system are obvious and mostly unproductive if the goal is raising student achievement.

Fair enough. I misunderstood the ABC article I read on it then.

[star seed 7]

union people are wierd.

[mortons toe]

union people are wierd.

and

[p1k3]

Unions bid up the employee's salary to above market price, and businesses often go bankrupt. Especially in this economy.

Don't try and grocery shop in California. Most of the grocery stores are unionized so their products are $$$$. Is there any reason a cashier should be making $21/hr? No, there isn't. Link:

http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/employers/nob-hill

This is the site for UFCW Local 8 in California. They represent about 30,000 food workers all over the state.

[star seed 7]

union people are wierd.

and

people who hate unions are weird too.

[michigancat]

Unions bid up the employee's salary to above market price, and businesses often go bankrupt. Especially in this economy.

Don't try and grocery shop in California. Most of the grocery stores are unionized so their products are $$$$. Is there any reason a cashier should be making $21/hr? No, there isn't. Link:

http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/employers/nob-hill

This is the site for UFCW Local 8 in California. They represent about 30,000 food workers all over the state.

Nob Hill is a fantastic store. Way better than Safeway (dump).

[michigancat]

Unions bid up the employee's salary to above market price, and businesses often go bankrupt. Especially in this economy.

Don't try and grocery shop in California. Most of the grocery stores are unionized so their products are $$$$. Is there any reason a cashier should be making $21/hr? No, there isn't. Link:

http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/employers/nob-hill

This is the site for UFCW Local 8 in California. They represent about 30,000 food workers all over the state.

Nob Hill is a fantastic store. Way better than Safeway (dump).

but safeway gets an A, too!

http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/employers/safeway

hmmmm

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Public employee unions shouldn't be allowed to donate to political campaigns. Definite conflict of interest. Individual employees have every right, but unions that negotiate with governmental agencies should not.

[p1k3]

Unions bid up the employee's salary to above market price, and businesses often go bankrupt. Especially in this economy.

Don't try and grocery shop in California. Most of the grocery stores are unionized so their products are $$$$. Is there any reason a cashier should be making $21/hr? No, there isn't. Link:

http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/employers/nob-hill

This is the site for UFCW Local 8 in California. They represent about 30,000 food workers all over the state.

Nob Hill is a fantastic store. Way better than Safeway (dump).

but safeway gets an A, too!

http://yourbreadandbutter.com/news/employers/safeway

hmmmm

Yeah Safeway sucks. FWIW that website gives every business an A as long as they bow to their master, Jacques Loveall.