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["storm"nut]

Did Beth Mendenhall get removed for her very public support of EPAW? Maybe she should have?

[SkinnyBenny]

Did Beth Mendenhall get removed for her very public support of EPAW? Maybe she should have?

LOL @ trying to equate the two

[Pete]

Did Beth Mendenhall get removed for her very public support of EPAW? Maybe she should have?

You are a rough ridin' idiot.

[SkinnyBenny]

Did Beth Mendenhall get removed for her very public support of EPAW? Maybe she should have?

You are a rough ridin' idiot.

confirmed, he is the worst.

[Pete]

Did Beth Mendenhall get removed for her very public support of EPAW? Maybe she should have?

You are a rough ridin' idiot.

confirmed, he is the worst.

I NEVER pi.  Like never.  But, failing to connect the dots using basic logic is just too much. 

["storm"nut]

wonder how many more professors I can dig up some very public dirt on and get fired?

Jesus rough ridin' christ.

Do you really not see a problem with what he said in his position?  rough ridin' really, Stormnut?  Really?

Guess I am a very strong supporter of the 1st amendment. I think Birthers are no better than the fools that thought Bush caused 9/11 or stole the election in 2000 but I am damn proud that they are allowed to speak there minds and opinions, how ever misguided without the government punishing them.

["storm"nut]

Did Beth Mendenhall get removed for her very public support of EPAW? Maybe she should have?

You are a rough ridin' idiot.

confirmed, he is the worst.

I NEVER pi.  Like never.  But, failing to connect the dots using basic logic is just too much.

So, whats the difference, enlighten me. Please

[Pete]

wonder how many more professors I can dig up some very public dirt on and get fired?

Jesus rough ridin' christ.

Do you really not see a problem with what he said in his position?  rough ridin' really, Stormnut?  Really?

Guess I am a very strong supporter of the 1st amendment. I think Birthers are no better than the fools that thought Bush caused 9/11 or stole the election in 2000 but I am damn proud that they are allowed to speak there minds and opinions, how ever misguided without the government punishing them.

You don't have 1st amendment protection in this situation.

Here's  a hypothetical that should illustrate the dilemma.


You are spokes person for Cargill's pork division.  You decide to start a public awareness campaign against pork, declaring it to be unhealthy and advocating that no one consume pork.  Is it within Cargil's right to fire you? 

[steve dave]

wonder how many more professors I can dig up some very public dirt on and get fired?

Jesus rough ridin' christ.

Do you really not see a problem with what he said in his position?  rough ridin' really, Stormnut?  Really?

Guess I am a very strong supporter of the 1st amendment. I think Birthers are no better than the fools that thought Bush caused 9/11 or stole the election in 2000 but I am damn proud that they are allowed to speak there minds and opinions, how ever misguided without the government punishing them.

nobody's stopping this crazy guy or any other crazy guy from saying whatever they want to say.

[puniraptor]

The problem is he is a public representative of the university and so his actions are perceived as a projection of kstate's values. A better analogy is Fitz getting dropped from gameday.

[Pete]

It's merely coincidence that I believe this Montgomery person to be a rough ridin' nut job who I wished lived in a far away land and not in America.

[steve dave]

Let's take this to the Pit thread

["storm"nut]

wonder how many more professors I can dig up some very public dirt on and get fired?

Jesus rough ridin' christ.

Do you really not see a problem with what he said in his position?  rough ridin' really, Stormnut?  Really?

Guess I am a very strong supporter of the 1st amendment. I think Birthers are no better than the fools that thought Bush caused 9/11 or stole the election in 2000 but I am damn proud that they are allowed to speak there minds and opinions, how ever misguided without the government punishing them.

You don't have 1st amendment protection in this situation.

Here's  a hypothetical that should illustrate the dilemma.


You are spokes person for Cargill's pork division.  You decide to start a public awareness campaign against pork, declaring it to be unhealthy and advocating that no one consume pork.  Is it within Cargil's right to fire you?

Cargill is a private corporation. K-State is a Public institution. 1st amendment protects people from the government from infringing on the rights of us citizens to speak our minds. Out-right firing him for what he is doing would be a violation of that right because K-State is a branch of the government.

[steve dave]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

["storm"nut]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

Help me understand, maybe I am truly not understanding it.

[Rage Against the McKee]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

Help me understand, maybe I am truly not understanding it.

You have no constitutional rights to a job. Unless the government is coming in and charging Montgomery with some crime for doing what he is doing, his rights are not being violated. As his employer, K-State is completely within its rights to fire his ass for making them look like a backwards, hayseed institution to the entire country. They did not fire him, but they should have. It would be worth being sued over to not have the K-State name associated with this.

[Saulbadguy]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

Help me understand, maybe I am truly not understanding it.

surprise.

[felix rex]

No one is stopping him from free speeching his stupid face off. But just because you have a right to say whatever you want doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences.

I mean, what if he, as an ambassador and "voice" of K-State publicly declared he thought Obama was a space alien...never mind. It would actually be less embarrassing if he thought that. So, bad example.

[steve dave]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

Help me understand, maybe I am truly not understanding it.

You have no constitutional rights to a job. Unless the government is coming in and charging Montgomery with some crime for doing what he is doing, his rights are not being violated. As his employer, K-State is completely within its rights to fire his ass for making them look like a backwards, hayseed institution to the entire country. They did not fire him, but they should have. It would be worth being sued over to not have the K-State name associated with this.

making his employer look bad (especially when the employer needs to market itself like KState does) is a 100% valid reason to fire someone. The first amendment protects his right to say what he wants, which is why he's allowed to continue to say whatever he wants to his heart's content. however, the first amendment does not protect him from anything his free speech causes. his job being a govt. job has absolutely nothing to do with it. 

[Pete]

No one is stopping him from free speeching his stupid face off. But just because you have a right to say whatever you want doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences.

I mean, what if he, as an ambassador and "voice" of K-State publicly declared he thought Obama was a space alien...never mind. It would actually be less embarrassing if he thought that. So, bad example.

 

["storm"nut]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

Help me understand, maybe I am truly not understanding it.

You have no constitutional rights to a job. Unless the government is coming in and charging Montgomery with some crime for doing what he is doing, his rights are not being violated. As his employer, K-State is completely within its rights to fire his ass for making them look like a backwards, hayseed institution to the entire country. They did not fire him, but they should have. It would be worth being sued over to not have the K-State name associated with this.

So a branch of the Government has a right to fire a person over his speech? What about Ward Churchill and his stuff a few years back. They only got rid of him because they found out he plagiarized a bunch of his papers and thus violated his integrity clause of his contract with Colorado.

[Saulbadguy]

"do whatever you want"

- that includes firing people.

[Rage Against the McKee]

why is it that people who spout off about the first amendment the most are always the people that understand it the least?

Help me understand, maybe I am truly not understanding it.

You have no constitutional rights to a job. Unless the government is coming in and charging Montgomery with some crime for doing what he is doing, his rights are not being violated. As his employer, K-State is completely within its rights to fire his ass for making them look like a backwards, hayseed institution to the entire country. They did not fire him, but they should have. It would be worth being sued over to not have the K-State name associated with this.

So a branch of the Government has a right to fire a person over his speech? What about Ward Churchill and his stuff a few years back. They only got rid of him because they found out he plagiarized a bunch of his papers and thus violated his integrity clause of his contract with Colorado.

It seems to me that he tried to claim his first amendment rights were violated and then he got mushed by the supreme court.

["storm"nut]

Guess I am just going to have to disagree that a government entity can fire a person over what they say in there private life, off the clock.

Now, what if Joe is right? 







JK

[puniraptor]

Guess I am just going to have to disagree that a government entity can fire a person over what they say in there private life, off the clock.

Now, what if Joe is right? 







JK

what if LHC Bill Snyder is a birther