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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #275 on: September 18, 2012, 02:55:57 PM »
yeah, he's not BITB at knowing about sports obviously.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #276 on: September 18, 2012, 02:59:14 PM »
Manhatter was all about Kibble last year before anyone else caught on. Made me nervous about losing him this year.

Any positive notes about the K-State DTs to share? (only thing I'm mildly concerned about)

This would move my confidence meter beyond 11.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #277 on: September 18, 2012, 03:05:51 PM »
Manhatter was all about Kibble last year before anyone else caught on. Made me nervous about losing him this year.

Any positive notes about the K-State DTs to share? (only thing I'm mildly concerned about)

This would move my confidence meter beyond 11.

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We are not as good at NT as we were a year ago.  Nope.  I still have fingers crossed that Akinola gets cleared and starts to get reps.  Good news is we are better at both ends, DT, all three LB spots.  That helps to cover up the drop off from the play at nose.  I'm sorry but this is the best that I can do.  We're not as good at Nose Tackle this year.
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #278 on: September 18, 2012, 03:07:39 PM »
Manhatter was all about Kibble last year before anyone else caught on. Made me nervous about losing him this year.

Any positive notes about the K-State DTs to share? (only thing I'm mildly concerned about)

This would move my confidence meter beyond 11.

 :ksu:

Now do OU's lines.

We are not as good at NT as we were a year ago.  Nope.  I still have fingers crossed that Akinola gets cleared and starts to get reps.  Good news is we are better at both ends, DT, all three LB spots.  That helps to cover up the drop off from the play at nose.  I'm sorry but this is the best that I can do.  We're not as good at Nose Tackle this year.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #279 on: September 18, 2012, 03:09:06 PM »
Manhatter was all about Kibble last year before anyone else caught on. Made me nervous about losing him this year.

Any positive notes about the K-State DTs to share? (only thing I'm mildly concerned about)

This would move my confidence meter beyond 11.

 :ksu:

We are not as good at NT as we were a year ago.  Nope.  I still have fingers crossed that Akinola gets cleared and starts to get reps.  Good news is we are better at both ends, DT, all three LB spots.  That helps to cover up the drop off from the play at nose.  I'm sorry but this is the best that I can do.  We're not as good at Nose Tackle this year.

I appreciate your analysis and honesty.

Still at an 11 on the confidence meter.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #280 on: September 18, 2012, 04:50:56 PM »
It's only Tuesday and I can't work.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #281 on: September 18, 2012, 05:24:32 PM »
It's only Tuesday and I can't work.

I read this threads and my heart starts pumping heavily and I get goosebumps all over. Planning on a panic attack at some point during the game.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #282 on: September 18, 2012, 05:25:29 PM »
It's only Tuesday and I can't work.

3 nervous poops today already!

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #283 on: September 18, 2012, 05:41:23 PM »
K-State Passing Attack Detonates Sooners


This Year More Bombs in Stadium Than Out





K-State Coach LHC Bill Snyder Points Out Incoming Suicide Bomber During OU/K-State Pregame



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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #284 on: September 18, 2012, 06:05:03 PM »
K-State Passing Attack Detonates Sooners


This Year More Bombs in Stadium Than Out





K-State Coach LHC Bill Snyder Points Out Incoming Suicide Bomber During OU/K-State Pregame

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #285 on: September 18, 2012, 06:09:58 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #286 on: September 18, 2012, 06:12:06 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

They have no offensive scheme per se.  Now I'm like infinity percent certain we'll win. 

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #287 on: September 18, 2012, 06:13:47 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

They have no offensive scheme per se.  Now I'm like infinity percent certain we'll win.

It's simple really, spread you out with our athletes. Exploit any and all weaknesses on the fly.
It's what we do.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #288 on: September 18, 2012, 06:16:31 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

They have no offensive scheme per se.  Now I'm like infinity percent certain we'll win.

It's simple really, spread you out with our athletes. Exploit any and all weaknesses on the fly.
It's what we do.

Yep.  Nothing like having no plan and just making things up on the fly to guarantee a victory. 

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #289 on: September 18, 2012, 06:19:55 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

WHAT DA eff IS THIS crap
"SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! EVERYBODY!!!"

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #290 on: September 18, 2012, 07:05:28 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

Ah, yes. This certainly worked well for miami.

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« Reply #291 on: September 18, 2012, 07:22:25 PM »
First, it is quite possible that North Texas has a Big 12 caliber offensive line.  What I would caution, when placing blame on the defensive line, is to look at the numbers.  North Texas surrendered 10 tackles for loss (6 by DL), 3 sacks, and surrendered 3.6 ypc rushing it.  Those numbers would suggest the defensive line was NOT terrible.  I think the biggest reason North Texas had success in moving and maintaining the ball is that we simply played very soft zone coverage.  The philosophy being, if they're going to drive it then they will need to sustain very long drives.  We didn't feel they could do it.   Their QB had a very good game completing passes underneath but they didn't have a single reception greater than 20 yards.  We are more than willing to give teams that sort of stuff underneath all game long. 

To provide context to the 3.6ypc, i believe KSU's avg last year was 3.9ypc.  I wouldn't have called our offensive rushing and overall offensive philosophy ineffective.  Sure, we gave them the underneath stuff, probably by design, however that doesn't mean when taken into the context of the the prior two games, that I should be happy about this secondary.  It's worse than last year. 



 The other reason North Texas had long drives is because we didn't tackle worth a damn.  Part of that is simply focus.  Look, we were very disinterested in playing that game.  I believe Snyder prepared for OU all week and just threw in a gameplan for North Texas with the impression that a team full of veterans could manage a game vs. an opponent that was an explosive threat.  The kids knew that as well.

I don't doubt that there wasn't much prep. But I think it only highlights the small talent gap between KSU and most of its opponents, specifically those from now on. 



I will reiterate time and again that Oklahoma will attempt to throw the ball downfield more often.  They are far less likely to just sit back and take the underneath stuff for 12-13 play drives.  They have question marks in their pass protection and, as good of an NFL prospect as he is, Jones is nowhere near as mobile as the QBs we have faced the past three games.  Outside of Ikard, both Missouri State and Miami had more experience on their offensive lines. 

This Oklahoma team is not the threat offensively that they were a year ago.  Not with the line play they had plus the presence of Broyles.  Sure, their wide receivers are more skilled and better athletes than our secondary but it still calls for chemistry with their QB and execution by their offensive line.  You can't simply throw talent on the field and it works like a machine.

Saying OU isn't the threat they were last year is like saying The Hulk slimmed down a bit. OU was the #5 offense in the country.  They are currently slumming it up at #11 (admittedly, it's a small sample size).  Also, OU's defense was #55 overall last year, it's #10 now (sorry Venzy).

Where OU has gotten "weaker" from last year, we haven't gotten better (i.e. OU's passing vs. our secondary, OU's line vs. our DL, specifically DT/NT) and where we are stronger, it appears OU has gotten stronger (i.e. our offense vs. OU's defense).  I think OU will make more of an effort to run the ball against us, which will force us into coverages that will highlight our weaknesses in our secondary.  Also, I think OU will try to match their RB against our LB/Safeties like MIami did, only I don't think their RB's will drop the passes that Duke did.  While it might be "closer" than last year, it won't end up close.  OU +17.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #292 on: September 18, 2012, 07:27:57 PM »
OU defense is not better this year they haven't played in the spread happy big 12 yet, also Venzy > Mike, mike didn't have to deal with the bulk of spread teams in the offensive roided Big 12.

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« Reply #293 on: September 18, 2012, 10:29:12 PM »
The point of being a fan of a team is that you get some sort of enjoyment from it. JFC some of you negative assholes don't seem to get any enjoyment from being a Wildcat fan, and even more you try to stomp out the enjoyment of others. Why even bother getting up in the morning?
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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #294 on: September 18, 2012, 10:50:07 PM »
btw, North Texas returned 4 of 5 starters on the offensive line with 56 starts between them.  Thompson completed 58% of his passes a year ago.  One might think if we didn't press the issue and played soft coverage he might be capable of hitting receivers underneath.

Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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« Reply #295 on: September 18, 2012, 11:35:49 PM »
I'm going to help you guys out so you're not surprised come gameday.
We have are own Locket, his name is Roy Finch. We have a scheme in a 4 receiver set where him and Stills both play slot.
Finch is a running back, If he gets behind your LB's he will gash you 8-14 yrd's a pop.

You guys haven't mentioned our running game either. D.Williams(new guy) is a 215 pound power back with 6 TD's this season.
One for 65 and one for 89.
Expect man to man coverage and 8 in the box. The D will pound on Klein early let him get 7 yrds instead of 4 so they :runaway: can Load up for a big hit
to wear him down later in the game.

We don't really have a offensive scheme per se. We are just going to line up athlete for athlete and see where you cant compete.

I hope it's good game but you emaws better come ready for war. There is no rolling over in Norman against ranked opponents.

BOOMER

Guys...you missed the point of this post.

Obv his putting BOOMER at the bottom of the post is Oklaquaeda code for a bomber to blow himself up!!!

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #296 on: September 19, 2012, 12:33:17 AM »
I just won't torture myself by thinking that we're going to win all week and then watch us lose.  Won't do it.


come on meister put your KITN cup in and get back in there. We need you with hatter whippin' up the anger so we are ready to tear apart anything in crimson by Saturday evening.

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« Reply #297 on: September 19, 2012, 12:47:13 AM »
I've decided that I won't be nervous.  K-State doesn't get to play in games this big every year, so goddammit I'm going to enjoy this.

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the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #298 on: September 19, 2012, 12:58:15 AM »
I've decided that I won't be nervous.  K-State doesn't get to play in games this big every year, so goddammit I'm going to enjoy this.

yup, enjoy the crap out of this 'meister.  dunno how some can enjoy the sour without the sweet

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« Reply #299 on: September 19, 2012, 07:05:56 AM »
Will not, not be nervous...wish i could say the same APCmeister

I've decided that I won't be nervous.  K-State doesn't get to play in games this big every year, so goddammit I'm going to enjoy this.