Author Topic: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year... (Read 56169 times)

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #150 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:15:13 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on September 16, 2012, 10:13:23 PM

We're going to win. It doesn't much matter what happened last year or 6 years ago or whatever. OU is nothing special this year.

Maybe. It's hard to tell how good OU really is without being able to gauge them against a legitimate team, though. We would all be thinking OU was about to beat us by 50 if we had only seen the Cats play Missouri State and North Texas.

Shacks · « **Reply #151 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:19:43 PM »

Oklahoma's home record is very impressive, but it is a bit skewed. Their biggest game (Texas) is always at a neutral site. The Horns are the one team in the Big 12 that is on par with OU when it comes to recruiting and Stoops' home record would have a few more losses if they had to host UT in years where they were much better than OU (2005 for example). Of course your home record is going to look a little better when the only team you regularly play who is capable of matching your roster star-for-star doesn't visit Norman.

EMAWesome · « **Reply #152 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:21:44 PM »

Quote from: OK Cat on September 16, 2012, 09:49:35 PM

Quote from: Chingon on September 16, 2012, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: OK Cat on September 16, 2012, 09:40:54 PM
it's shocking to me that people think this team is going to walk into norman and win. shocking.
a much worse tech team did it last year

look i know you like being "that guy" on OU and OSU games, but are you REALLY surprised a website with a football board called "Kstate cat football: There is Nothing Better on the Earth" has people thinking we can win this game?

it's perfectly fine to cheer your ass off for your team but knowing that they will lose. a much worse tech team did it because it was a much worse tech team, just like a much worse north texas team knocked on our door for 3 quarters.

i don't think we gained enough and/or ou lost enough from last year to make up that much of a point differential AND play in norman as opposed to manhattan.

Wait, so the game is gonna start with the scoreboard saying OU - 52 KSU -17 (or whatever that abortion of a final score ended up being last year)? Well eff, in that case, yea we are prolly effed.

Of course, I live in reality where LAST YEAR means exactly rough ridin' nothing in sports...especially college fb when 25%or more of the rosters change year over year.

This is the same Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument the media is making against the qatz...be better than that

hemmy · « **Reply #153 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:24:44 PM »

Quote from: EMAWesome on September 16, 2012, 10:21:44 PM

Quote from: OK Cat on September 16, 2012, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: Chingon on September 16, 2012, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: OK Cat on September 16, 2012, 09:40:54 PM
it's shocking to me that people think this team is going to walk into norman and win. shocking.
a much worse tech team did it last year

look i know you like being "that guy" on OU and OSU games, but are you REALLY surprised a website with a football board called "Kstate cat football: There is Nothing Better on the Earth" has people thinking we can win this game?

it's perfectly fine to cheer your ass off for your team but knowing that they will lose. a much worse tech team did it because it was a much worse tech team, just like a much worse north texas team knocked on our door for 3 quarters.

i don't think we gained enough and/or ou lost enough from last year to make up that much of a point differential AND play in norman as opposed to manhattan.

Wait, so the game is gonna start with the scoreboard saying OU - 52 KSU -17 (or whatever that abortion of a final score ended up being last year)? Well eff, in that case, yea we are prolly effed.

Of course, I live in reality where LAST YEAR means exactly rough ridin' nothing in sports...especially college fb when 25%or more of the rosters change year over year.

This is the same Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument the media is making against the qatz...be better than that

Last year means something. It means last year they kicked our ass, and many of those same players are also going to be in this years game...why expect anything different.

puniraptor · « **Reply #154 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:27:39 PM »

Good to see some others on #teamcatswininnorman

CHONGS · « **Reply #155 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:29:09 PM »

its not about whether the cats can or will win (guess what even if we lose that doesn't prove we couldn't have won), its about the notion that its shocking a fan website isn't shoegazing about "oh man we have no chance of winning at all". of course people on here think we can win. does it make them "purple-loving retards"? probably to a whole lot of people, but it's not like this is is shocking behavior or anything.

CHONGS · « **Reply #156 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:32:09 PM »

oh and to head off the "you won't let anyone say anything negative you powerespect" talking point, of course you should and can post all the negative stuff you want. just don't act like a delicate flower when after the 100th time of trying to get a response you get one that doesn't pat you on the back and tell you how brave you are for being edgy and crap.

jtksu · « **Reply #157 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:35:45 PM »

"Tries too hard to be edgy."

_33 · « **Reply #158 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:37:20 PM »

I think we can win. Now, do I think we will win? Yep.

GoodForAnother · « **Reply #159 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:39:04 PM »

Quote from: Chingon on September 16, 2012, 10:32:09 PM

oh and to head off the "you won't let anyone say anything negative you powerespect" talking point, of course you should and can post all the negative stuff you want. just don't act like a delicate flower when after the 100th time of trying to get a response you get one that doesn't pat you on the back and tell you how brave you are for being edgy and crap.

damn, chings just took goEMAW down a peg

Legit Elite · « **Reply #160 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:43:56 PM »

Quote from: kstatefan11 on September 13, 2012, 08:20:02 AM

The team has bought in...so should we.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #161 on:** September 16, 2012, 10:45:38 PM »

Quote from: _33 on September 16, 2012, 10:37:20 PM

I think we can win. Now, do I think we will win? Yep.

Thanks. You just made me a whole lot more confident.

EMAWmeister · « **Reply #162 on:** September 16, 2012, 11:06:25 PM »

I just won't torture myself by thinking that we're going to win all week and then watch us lose. Won't do it.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #163 on:** September 17, 2012, 12:16:17 AM »

I think they scared. I think they fans scared and they players scared. Cats by 10.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-football-weighing-kansas-states-chances-against-the-sooners/article/3710507?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Legit Elite · « **Reply #164 on:** September 17, 2012, 12:35:14 AM »

Quote from: CartierFor3 on September 17, 2012, 12:16:17 AM

I think they scared. I think they fans scared and they players scared. Cats by 10.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-football-weighing-kansas-states-chances-against-the-sooners/article/3710507?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

jtksu · « **Reply #165 on:** September 17, 2012, 01:01:50 AM »

If CK keeps completing 72% of his passes, we aint losing many games this year.

purplehaze · « **Reply #166 on:** September 17, 2012, 02:18:08 AM »

Reasons for hope
1. We took OSU down to the wire on the road (an OSU team that DESTROYED OU). Transitive property doesn't always work, but neither does comparing results from the previous year.
2. The OU game was our worst game last year, and it wasn't just because of OU. We played very poorly.
3. OU doesn't have Broyles. OU post Broyles last year was 2-2
4. OU was preseason #1 last year, and finished practically tied with us in the polls. Not invincible.
5. We are a better, more confident team this year than we were last year.
6. OU hasn't looked all that great so far.

Reasons for despair:
1. OU is more talented
2. OU is at home and doesn't lose at home

I'm not sure how this game will go, but to count K-State out would be unwise.

That_Guy · « **Reply #167 on:** September 17, 2012, 03:24:24 AM »

Quote from: hemmy on September 16, 2012, 10:01:54 PM

We have a 0% chance of winning this. Quit being stupid.

That is not true

Cire · « **Reply #168 on:** September 17, 2012, 05:49:10 AM »

I hope we stomp on the fifty or start a fight pre game or something.

MadCat · « **Reply #169 on:** September 17, 2012, 06:42:47 AM »

K-State has 1% chance to win...and they will.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #170 on:** September 17, 2012, 08:07:22 AM »

I have no reason to believe we can't go to Norman and compete. This notion that we'll get blown out is not crazy, but IMO its unlikely. Even in last year's game we had all the momentum midway through the 2nd quarter with the lead, then we drove and missed a FG, and finally finished the half with a fumble allowing OU to kick a FG to go up 23-17 at half time. Granted, the 2nd half we absolutely didn't show up, but that was the anomaly half of the season. Against that vaunted OU defense in the first half K-State averaged 6.7 yards per play last year. It was only when we got behind by multiple scores and were forced to pass that OU poured it on.

This year I don't see OU being able to abuse our defense as easily as it did last year, though I have no doubt OU will gain plenty of yards. I also see us being much more able to stay in the game with our passing game, last year when we played OU we still had a long ways to go in our passing game.

I still firmly believe in the notion of this thread that the dynamic in this game is different this year and I anticipate a very competitive game in Norman.

ben ji · « **Reply #171 on:** September 17, 2012, 08:27:34 AM »

I see the cats winning, and I dont think it will be that close. OU has played garbage teams all season and has looked like crap. Their O-Line has lost something like 3 starters already and Landry went from a top10 draft pick to an average QB last year when Broyles went down

Katz- 38
OU- 28

OU gets a garbage touchdown late to make it respectable.

C Klein- 14-18 passing 2TD's, 21 att 103 yds rushing 2TD's

steve dave · « **Reply #172 on:** September 17, 2012, 08:33:13 AM »

When is the money line number going to be available? #fatty4ksu is going to have a pretty hefty cash injection at the end of the season thanks to friend of goEMAW beyondthebets.com.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #173 on:** September 17, 2012, 09:05:15 AM »

HFBIQ needed. Is Klein's release really as slow as it looks on TV, or is it just unorthodox? If it is as slow as it looks, will his completion rate be much lower than 72% against much faster secondaries?

To me, it looks like he does well when his receivers are wide open, but he hasn't shown an ability to fit the ball into tight spaces. Admittedly, I don't watch game film like a lot of self-proclaimed experts on here (i.e. everybody but KSU_fan).

kso_FAN · « **Reply #174 on:** September 17, 2012, 09:10:47 AM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on September 17, 2012, 09:05:15 AM

HFBIQ needed. Is Klein's release really as slow as it looks on TV, or is it just unorthodox? If it is as slow as it looks, will his completion rate be much lower than 72% against much faster secondaries?

To me, it looks like he does well when his receivers are wide open, but he hasn't shown an ability to fit the ball into tight spaces. Admittedly, I don't watch game film like a lot of self-proclaimed experts on here (i.e. everybody but KSU_fan).

This is a fair critique, and probably accurate. I don't anticipate Klein being 70+% against OU, but if he can be 60% and still be around 10 YPA we're fine. He doesn't have a quick release, but the key is he has gotten much better at his reads, especially before the snap. He's been good about anticipating coverages and getting the ball to the open guys because of that IMO. He's not going to go through his progression and hit his 3rd or 4th guy with a quick throw, but if he can continue to accurately read defenses pre-snap or quickly after the snap then he can get the ball where it needs to go. Granted, OU's scheme and talent will make that more difficult and he will make some mistakes.