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« Reply #1000 on: September 06, 2023, 01:35:32 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?
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« Reply #1001 on: September 06, 2023, 01:52:38 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.
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« Reply #1002 on: September 06, 2023, 02:24:13 PM »
Yeah college football should get rid of rankings. Baseball should get rid of the home run also

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« Reply #1003 on: September 06, 2023, 02:34:12 PM »
On what basis is Tcu "obviously" not a top 25 team? No one has any idea, that's the point.

I have 2 eyeballs that work most of the time.
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« Reply #1004 on: September 06, 2023, 02:34:36 PM »
Yeah college football should get rid of rankings. Baseball should get rid of the home run also

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« Reply #1005 on: September 06, 2023, 02:55:21 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

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« Reply #1006 on: September 06, 2023, 03:49:11 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

They definitely should have been in the playoff, but was that due to their preseason ranking or their body of work? Do the polls even come into the equation for the selection committee?

Colley had UCF at 3 heading into the playoff I believe.
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« Reply #1007 on: September 06, 2023, 05:00:08 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

The rankings that matter don't start until midseason and they didn't care for UCF.

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« Reply #1008 on: September 06, 2023, 05:03:28 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

The rankings that matter don't start until midseason and they didn't care for UCF.
Those rankings are influenced by preseason AP and Coaches rankings too! Even if they aren't supposed to be, they are.

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« Reply #1009 on: September 06, 2023, 05:42:05 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

The rankings that matter don't start until midseason and they didn't care for UCF.
Those rankings are influenced by preseason AP and Coaches rankings too! Even if they aren't supposed to be, they are.

At that point in the season the polls are almost never different than the various computer ratings, particularly at the top..

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« Reply #1010 on: September 06, 2023, 05:43:13 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

The rankings that matter don't start until midseason and they didn't care for UCF.
Those rankings are influenced by preseason AP and Coaches rankings too! Even if they aren't supposed to be, they are.

At that point in the season the polls are almost never different than the various computer ratings, particularly at the top..
That's why I mentioned UCF!

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« Reply #1011 on: September 06, 2023, 05:51:41 PM »
What does that have to do with preseason rankings?

I thought part of the gripe about preseason ranking is they make it harder for good teams to be accurately ranked at season’s end. The images I posted imo show that, at least in 2021, that really wasn’t the case.

If the gripe is that the wrong teams simply get too much attention early in the season, then I guess that may be so, but who really cares.

I wonder if UCF cares?

The rankings that matter don't start until midseason and they didn't care for UCF.
Those rankings are influenced by preseason AP and Coaches rankings too! Even if they aren't supposed to be, they are.

At that point in the season the polls are almost never different than the various computer ratings, particularly at the top..
That's why I mentioned UCF!

Right but that undercuts your point about the ap and coaches poll having influence with the CFP poll.

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« Reply #1012 on: September 07, 2023, 09:12:32 AM »
Preseason polls should exist because they're fun.  If we want to get all haughty about polls that "matter," the only poll that technically "matters" (outside of soft issues like brand, prestige, etc.), is the final CFP poll before the playoff.  The rest of the polls are just fun for fans to goof off with and argue about.

FWIW, I think the polls (ap/coaching/playoff) all matter bigtime because it's more fun if you treat them that way.  And I love polls -- especially preseason polls because they're fun!
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« Reply #1013 on: September 07, 2023, 09:16:28 AM »
Griping about preseason polls seems pointless to me. If AP suddenly cared about accuracy and stopped doing them the first few weeks, someone else would do it and we’d have the same conversation about those rankings.

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« Reply #1014 on: September 07, 2023, 09:32:33 AM »
If only we had someone in our ranks to keep AP pollsters honest on the twitters...
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« Reply #1015 on: September 07, 2023, 01:06:01 PM »
Preseason polls should exist because they're fun.  If we want to get all haughty about polls that "matter," the only poll that technically "matters" (outside of soft issues like brand, prestige, etc.), is the final CFP poll before the playoff.  The rest of the polls are just fun for fans to goof off with and argue about.

FWIW, I think the polls (ap/coaching/playoff) all matter bigtime because it's more fun if you treat them that way.  And I love polls -- especially preseason polls because they're fun!

Agreed. Pollsters just need to be quicker to change their opinions early. You preseason rank a team 12 and they get blown out, drop their ass! Don't just bump them to 21.

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« Reply #1016 on: September 07, 2023, 01:13:54 PM »
Preseason polls should exist because they're fun.  If we want to get all haughty about polls that "matter," the only poll that technically "matters" (outside of soft issues like brand, prestige, etc.), is the final CFP poll before the playoff.  The rest of the polls are just fun for fans to goof off with and argue about.

FWIW, I think the polls (ap/coaching/playoff) all matter bigtime because it's more fun if you treat them that way.  And I love polls -- especially preseason polls because they're fun!

Agreed. Pollsters just need to be quicker to change their opinions early. You preseason rank a team 12 and they get blown out, drop their ass! Don't just bump them to 21.
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« Reply #1017 on: September 09, 2023, 02:17:43 PM »
I wouldn't be so sure about that; Duke was a nine-win team last season and TCU scored a bunch of points so no domination.  I would agree with Michcat, the AP should wait until the fourth game to rank.  Teams don't really show their plays until the fourth game, which at this point is a conference game.

Duke being good has nothing to do with Clemson being overrated. Duke didn't force Clemson to start a QB1 who can't throw the ball beyond 10 yards down field.

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« Reply #1018 on: September 09, 2023, 02:19:29 PM »
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« Reply #1019 on: September 11, 2023, 06:17:00 AM »



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« Reply #1020 on: September 11, 2023, 09:26:26 AM »
That chart should dedicate more space to, idk, the chart, rather than the title and axis titles.
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« Reply #1021 on: September 11, 2023, 09:35:51 AM »
I like that it uses this font


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« Reply #1022 on: September 11, 2023, 10:49:08 AM »
The purity of that meme never fails to make me smile. 

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« Reply #1023 on: September 11, 2023, 06:29:16 PM »
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« Reply #1024 on: September 11, 2023, 06:35:36 PM »
You can bet they’ll have a Jayhawk graphic ready come next week.