voter id issue

[mortons toe]

The question:

Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?

[Rage Against the McKee]

The question:

Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?

Not all eligible voters have identification, and forcing them to purchase one places a cost on voting. Offering government subsidized identification for free is a huge waste of taxpayer money in a time when we are making cuts to already underfunded programs like education.

[jtksu]

It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote.  I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID.  I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?

[Rage Against the McKee]

It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote.  I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID.  I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?

Yeah, the act of showing id doesn't really bother me at all. I just don't like throwing a bunch of government money at giving people free id's to fix a nonexistent voter fraud problem.

[michigancat]

The question:

Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?

It makes it more difficult for poor people to vote.

I think a good compromise would be to say that driver licenses or passports don't count as voter ID's, and make everyone go get their free ID if they want to vote. It's still easier for the rich, but it's closer to fair.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The question:

Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?

It makes it more difficult for poor people to vote.

I think a good compromise would be to say that driver licenses or passports don't count as voter ID's, and make everyone go get their free ID if they want to vote. It's still easier for the rich, but it's closer to fair.

I think this is a great idea. Make it a Federal Voter Registration ID. No driver's licenses or any other kind of ID would be accepted. Free to everyone.

[michigancat]

oh, it's still a bad idea.

[husserl]

It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote.  I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID.  I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?

probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote.  I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID.  I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?

probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/

That study seems racist in that it breaks the numbers down to different races. I would like to see a study that breaks it down by political registration. Just don't understand why some people are so infatuated with skin color.

[ednksu]

It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote.  I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID.  I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?

probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/

That study seems racist in that it breaks the numbers down to different races. I would like to see a study that breaks it down by political registration. Just don't understand why some people are so infatuated with skin color.

Executive Summary

Ten states now have unprecedented restrictive voter ID laws. Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wisconsin all require citizens to produce specific types of government-issued photo identification before they can cast a vote that will count. Legal precedent requires these states to provide free photo ID to eligible voters who do not have one.

Unfortunately, these free IDs are not equally accessible to all voters. This report is the first comprehensive assessment of the difficulties that eligible voters face in obtaining free photo ID.

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.

The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.

This November, restrictive voter ID states will provide 127 electoral votes — nearly half of the 270 needed to win the presidency. Therefore, the ability of eligible citizens without photo ID to obtain one could have a major influence on the outcome of the 2012 election.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification/
You know I would have less of a problem with people like you if you dropped the shtick of trying to cloak yourself in the Constitution and true pursuit of the law and order and just say you don't want blacks in power.  You are the same as the people in the South who set up the laws of Jim Crow.  You pervert the law at all levels because you fear others and your place in the world.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

It does kinda make sense for people to show ID before they vote.  I mean, name something else that important that you can do without ID.  I'm curious, has anyone seen any stats on how many people are without any form of ID?

probably somewhere around 11%
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/citizens_without_proof_stands_strong/

That study seems racist in that it breaks the numbers down to different races. I would like to see a study that breaks it down by political registration. Just don't understand why some people are so infatuated with skin color.

Executive Summary

Ten states now have unprecedented restrictive voter ID laws. Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wisconsin all require citizens to produce specific types of government-issued photo identification before they can cast a vote that will count. Legal precedent requires these states to provide free photo ID to eligible voters who do not have one.

Unfortunately, these free IDs are not equally accessible to all voters. This report is the first comprehensive assessment of the difficulties that eligible voters face in obtaining free photo ID.

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.
More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.
1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.
Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars.

The result is plain: Voter ID laws will make it harder for hundreds of thousands of poor Americans to vote. They place a serious burden on a core constitutional right that should be universally available to every American citizen.

This November, restrictive voter ID states will provide 127 electoral votes — nearly half of the 270 needed to win the presidency. Therefore, the ability of eligible citizens without photo ID to obtain one could have a major influence on the outcome of the 2012 election.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification/
You know I would have less of a problem with people like you if you dropped the shtick of trying to cloak yourself in the Constitution and true pursuit of the law and order and just say you don't want blacks in power.  You are the same as the people in the South who set up the laws of Jim Crow.  You pervert the law at all levels because you fear others and your place in the world.

Don't be such a jackass. You're probably the type of person that breaks African Americans into sub-races depending on their political leanings. You probably think Allen West and Herman Cain aren't real black people, just too stupid to be democrats.

[michigancat]

Welp

[Dugout DickStone]

Why does the party of limited gov want to force everyone to carry an id?

[kim carnes]

Why does the party of limited gov want to force everyone to carry an id?

to try and discourage poor people from voting.  pretty savvy move.

[Dugout DickStone]

I get really leery anytime the federal government requires I submit to photographing and info gathering just to exercise a guaranteed right.  This is new world order stuff.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The question:

Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?

Not all eligible voters have identification, and forcing them to purchase one places a cost on voting. Offering government subsidized identification for free is a huge waste of taxpayer money in a time when we are making cuts to already underfunded programs like education.

No kidding. The cost of printing a card with someones picture on it must be cents, maybe even dollars.  At a time when we can barely afford to pay for everyones healthcare this seems utterly absurd.  It's not like voting is even one of those important rights, and its certainly not important enough to spend thousands of dollars on.  Back when a few hundred chads hung loose in Florida, now that's when voting was important. So important it warranted placing a computerized voting machine in every precent in every town in every state in America. 

We've been looking long and hard for voter fraud in this country and found none exists at all, zero. Its not worth spending thousands of big ones to protect the integrity of the worthless right to vote.

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[Dugout DickStone]

The question:

Why should voters NOT have to show identification when voting?

Not all eligible voters have identification, and forcing them to purchase one places a cost on voting. Offering government subsidized identification for free is a huge waste of taxpayer money in a time when we are making cuts to already underfunded programs like education.

No kidding. The cost of printing a card with someones picture on it must be cents, maybe even dollars.  At a time when we can barely afford to pay for everyones healthcare this seems utterly absurd.  It's not like voting is even one of those important rights, and its certainly not important enough to spend thousands of dollars on.  Back when a few hundred chads hung loose in Florida, now that's when voting was important. So important it warranted placing a computerized voting machine in every precent in every town in every state in America. 

We've been looking long and hard for voter fraud in this country and found none exists at all, zero. Its not worth spending thousands of big ones to protect the integrity of the worthless right to vote.

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Your not creeped out by this?  The gov requiring everyone report and be photo'd?

[jtksu]

Just to be clear, I dont give a eff if they require ID to vote or not.   I just feel like the reasons to require one seem to be more compelling than the reasons to not.  I just cant imagine what kind of people have no form of ID, other than homeless people and those here illegally. (Even the homeless still carry ID if they are receiving any form of govt assistance.)  If a person can't even bother to obtain some form of ID, I dont see those people registering to vote in the first place, much less actually showing up to actually vote.  Its not like this period of time is the only chance for these people to obtain an ID, they've had years to do something that every adult is supposed to do in the first place.  Hell, this would be a great time for those people to obtain a free ID, seems like they would appreciate that. 

[Dugout DickStone]

Just to be clear, I dont give a eff if they require ID to vote or not.   I just feel like the reasons to require one seem to be more compelling than the reasons to not.  I just cant imagine what kind of people have no form of ID, other than homeless people and those here illegally. (Even the homeless still carry ID if they are receiving any form of govt assistance.)  If a person can't even bother to obtain some form of ID, I dont see those people registering to vote in the first place, much less actually showing up to actually vote.  Its not like this period of time is the only chance for these people to obtain an ID, they've had years to do something that every adult is supposed to do in the first place.  Hell, this would be a great time for those people to obtain a free ID, seems like they would appreciate that. 

Is this in addition to the id I already have, or just a substitute if I don't have one already?

[jtksu]

crap, you just blew a major hole in my plan!

[Dugout DickStone]

crap, you just blew a major hole in my plan!

I was seriously asking.  I agree you gotta show something to vote.

[jtksu]

I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free.  Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.

[Dugout DickStone]

I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free.  Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.

Well I'm fine with that.  False alarm!

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free.  Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.

Pretty sure any picture id works.  If your one of the hundreds of people wishing to vote but thus far have been too stupid/lazy/poor to bother getting one they are free.

Let's be real honest here, the outrage about these laws rests with a very small minority of libtards who have so little respect for the intelligence of the american public they thought they'd be able to turn something as common sense as showing your id to prove your identity into an issue about race. They were wrong and inadvertently outed as racists for their racist premise.

They're also irked its going to be harder for them to cheat.

[star seed 7]

I would assume a valid form of ID would still work but those without one could get some type of ID for free.  Once again, I havent really delved very deep into this issue cause I dont really care all that much.

Pretty sure any picture id works.  If your one of the hundreds of people wishing to vote but thus far have been too stupid/lazy/poor to bother getting one they are free.

Let's be real honest here, the outrage about these laws rests with a very small minority of libtards who have so little respect for the intelligence of the american public they thought they'd be able to turn something as common sense as showing your id to prove your identity into an issue about race. They were wrong and inadvertently outed as racists for their racist premise.

They're also irked its going to be harder for them to cheat.

lets be  real honest here, the only reason this is a movement on the conservative side is because racist republitards know this hurts people that vote against them.