voter id issue

[Dugout DickStone]

You gotta show SOMETHING to vote.  Come the eff on.

At first I thought the Republicans were being total freaks and obviously putting up a barrier to voting but if the position is simply that you have to have some form of id in some fashion, then yeah.  You have to.

[8manpick]

I don't get the travel thing.  If they are in some rural place where they have to travel to get an ID and that is hard for them, won't they also have to travel to vote? 

[michigancat]

I don't get the travel thing.  If they are in some rural place where they have to travel to get an ID and that is hard for them, won't they also have to travel to vote? 

not necessarily. Where I grew up, voting was at the senior center in town, which was served by the elderly/handicapped transit and quite frankly was walkable for everyone who was able-bodied. The closest DMV office was 30 miles away.

I mean, didn't you play 8 man football?

[8manpick]

I don't get the travel thing.  If they are in some rural place where they have to travel to get an ID and that is hard for them, won't they also have to travel to vote? 

I mean, didn't you play 8 man football?

absolutely not

[Dugout DickStone]

You can't just show up and say "hey, I am here to vote" and start filling in a ballot, right?  That sounds crazy.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You can't just show up and say "hey, I am here to vote" and start filling in a ballot, right?  That sounds crazy.

You always have been able to do that up until now. They just found your name on their registration list, and you signed by that name.

[OK_Cat]

You can't just show up and say "hey, I am here to vote" and start filling in a ballot, right?  That sounds crazy.

You always have been able to do that up until now. They just found your name on their registration list, and you signed by that name.

maybe in whatever podunk town you live in.  i've always had to show my id

[star seed 7]

I show up, they ask my nam/address, sign my name next to my name/address and bam, im votin.   Never shown an id.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Poll workers can be sued if they ask for your ID or any other info in California. I've tried to offer it but they turn their heads like they will go blind if they look at it.

[mortons toe]

the reasons against an ID to vote, are not very compelling... "you're racist if you support laws for voter ID". 

black Americans represent about 12-13% of the total population, and a majority live in urban areas. So, considering this, how does the argument of "racism" stand?

[Paul Moscow]

the reasons against an ID to vote, are not very compelling... "you're racist if you support laws for voter ID". 

black Americans represent about 12-13% of the total population, and a majority live in urban areas. So, considering this, how does the argument of "racism" stand?

A federal court in DC today determined that Texas voter ID law violated Section 5 of the Voter Rights Act and was “enacted with discriminatory purpose.”

From the court:

Texas bears the burden of proving that nothing in SB 14 “would lead to a retrogression in the position of racial minorities with respect to their effective exercise of the electoral franchise.” Because all of Texas’s evidence on retrogression is some combination of invalid, irrelevant, and unreliable, we have little trouble concluding that Texas has failed to carry its burden.
 
To the contrary, record evidence suggests that SB 14, if implemented, would in fact have a retrogressive effect on Hispanic and African American voters. This conclusion flows from three basic facts: (1) a substantial subgroup of Texas voters, many of whom are African American or Hispanic, lack photo ID; (2) the burdens associated with obtaining ID will weigh most heavily on the poor; and (3) racial minorities in Texas are disproportionately likely to live in poverty.

According to undisputed U.S. Census data, the poverty rate in Texas is 25.8% for Hispanics and 23.3% for African Americans, compared to just 8.8% for whites. This means that the burdens of obtaining [voter ID] will almost certainly fall more heavily on minorities, a concern well recognized by those who work in minority communities.
 
…Undisputed census data shows that in Texas, 13.1% of African Americans and 7.3% of Hispanics live in households without access to a motor vehicle, compared with only 3.8% of whites.
 
… while a 200 to 250 mile trip to and from a DPS [Department of Public Safety] office would be a heavy burden for any prospective voter, such a journey would be especially daunting for the working poor. Poorer citizens, especially those working for hourly wages, will likely be less able to take time off work to travel to a DPS office—a problem exacerbated by the fact that wait times in DPS offices can be as long as three hours during busy months of the year. This concern is especially serious given that none of Texas’s DPS offices are open on weekends or past 6:00 PM, eliminating for many working people the option of obtaining an EIC [“election identification certificate”] on their own time. A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote. The same is true when a law imposes an implicit fee for the privilege of casting a ballot, like the $22 many would-be voters who lack the required underlying documentation will have to pay to obtain an EIC. “[W]ealth or fee paying has . . . no relation to voting qualifications; the right to vote is too precious, too fundamental to be so burdened or conditioned.”

[steve dave]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that. 

[ednksu]

http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/misc/faq.php#faq07
look at these states subjected to the excessive over regulation of the big bad Federal Government! /J.Doug Esquire

[slobber]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that.

I didn't. Please elaborate.

[steve dave]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that.

I didn't. Please elaborate.

 like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane.  I don't know about outside the US though.

[slobber]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that.

I didn't. Please elaborate.

 like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane.  I don't know about outside the US though.

I don't plan on finding out. Sounds bad ass, especially the "what now mother rough rider" part. I would love to witness how that goes down!

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that.

I didn't. Please elaborate.

 like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane.  I don't know about outside the US though.

I flew back into the U.S. from Canada with no passport and an expired driver's license.  Post 9/11.  They made me sing the national anthem and recite the Pledge of Allegiance and let me in.  True story.  (I don't remember anyone checking anything at all when I went into Canada, although that doesn't seem right...)

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Also, it's absolutely illegal most places (everywhere?) to ask for an ID before voting.  You have to give your name and your signature has to match the copy on record.

[steve dave]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that.

I didn't. Please elaborate.

 like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane.  I don't know about outside the US though.

I flew back into the U.S. from Canada with no passport and an expired driver's license.  Post 9/11.  They made me sing the national anthem and recite the Pledge of Allegiance and let me in.  True story.  (I don't remember anyone checking anything at all when I went into Canada, although that doesn't seem right...)

I would absolutely fail that part and be stuck in Canada Born In East LA style

[Dugout DickStone]

You should take your ID to fly because the crap you have to go through if you lose your passport and are coming back from Eluthera and you smoked the last of your pot before leaving the island but then realized you have no passport but it was too late because you were high and had to go through customs and it sucks.  At least my friend from Canada told me this.

[steve dave]

You should take your ID to fly because the crap you have to go through if you lose your passport and are coming back from Eluthera and you smoked the last of your pot before leaving the island but then realized you have no passport but it was too late because you were high and had to go through customs and it sucks.  At least my friend from Canada told me this.

man, that sucks

[wetwillie]

you don't need identification to fly.  a lot of people don't know that.

I didn't. Please elaborate.

 like, you show up with a ticket and say "what now mother rough rider?" and then they subject you to "extra screening" and then you get on the plane.  I don't know about outside the US though.

I flew back into the U.S. from Canada with no passport and an expired driver's license.  Post 9/11.  They made me sing the national anthem and recite the Pledge of Allegiance and let me in.  True story.  (I don't remember anyone checking anything at all when I went into Canada, although that doesn't seem right...)

I would absolutely fail that part and be stuck in Canada Born In East LA style

Man oh man I can see some dumbass sing it to perfection just to bellow a hearty CHIEFS at the end and get sent packin

[mortons toe]

oops... http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

oops... http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/

Oh yeah, well there almost no documented cases of voter fraud, therefore it isn't (cant be!) happening.

:libtard:

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Racist vote suppressers... Obama asked to present ID while voting.

Seriously though, can't both sides just be honest about this? Yes fraud exists, but it is a relatively minor issue except in very close races (Al Franken is now a Senator, for example). Democrats want things like early voting and looser registration and voting rules because it makes it easier to bus in as many rough ridin' retards - an important part of their base - as possible. They've never strayed far from their old Tammany Hall political machine methods. Republicans want to require a little bit of thought and preparation before voting - like showing up on the right day with an ID - to cut down on the number of rough ridin' retards at the polls, thus improving their chances.

So remember, the fight over voter ID is really just the fight over how easy it should be for rough ridin' retards to vote. I say the fewer rough ridin' retards that vote, the better.