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Again, the MINIMUM expectation for K-State and for K-State's coach (whoever it is) to keep their job.

For me:

1.  Top 4 in conference 4 out of every 5 years.

2.  Challange for conference title 1 out of every 4 years. 

3.  Make the NCAA tourney 4 out of every 5 years, never lower than a 9th seed. 

4.  Always winning the 1st round game of every NCAA tourney K-State is in. 

5.  Sweet 16 (at least)- 2 out of every 4 NCAA tourney appearences. 

NONE of that is too much to ask IMO.   There are multiple schools in the Big 12 that are Football-Baseball schools.   It is not unreasonable to ask that K-State basketball stay at the level it is now, and to sustain a constant level of above to well above average success like it had from the 1950's to the late 1980's.    Any period that even approaches the 1990's should be met with termination of coaches and administrators with extreme prejudice.   The BTF eliminates a number of built in excuses.   

Once Phase III of the Football Facilities is complete, there should be an immediate move to have significant upgrades to Bramlage done, with non construction upgrades already completed well before then, i.e new banners, video boards, sound system and ribbon boards in the arena itself.   

There should also be a revenue target of no less than $8.5 million a year from basketball. 



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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 03:17:58 PM »
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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 03:28:08 PM »
I agree with most of that.  I would have gone with "are" instead of "is" in the title though.  #4 might be a little steep.
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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 03:44:19 PM »
Make the NCAA tourney every single year.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 03:47:45 PM »
How many teams in the country have done that over the last 10 years?

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 03:49:29 PM »
Again, the MINIMUM expectation for K-State and for K-State's coach (whoever it is) to keep their job.

For me:

1.  Top 4 in conference 4 out of every 5 years.

2.  Challange for conference title 1 out of every 4 years. 

3.  Make the NCAA tourney 4 out of every 5 years, never lower than a 9th seed. 

4.  Always winning the 1st round game of every NCAA tourney K-State is in. 

5.  Sweet 16 (at least)- 2 out of every 4 NCAA tourney appearences. 

NONE of that is too much to ask IMO.   There are multiple schools in the Big 12 that are Football-Baseball schools.   It is not unreasonable to ask that K-State basketball stay at the level it is now, and to sustain a constant level of above to well above average success like it had from the 1950's to the late 1980's.    Any period that even approaches the 1990's should be met with termination of coaches and administrators with extreme prejudice.   The BTF eliminates a number of built in excuses.   

Once Phase III of the Football Facilities is complete, there should be an immediate move to have significant upgrades to Bramlage done, with non construction upgrades already completed well before then, i.e new banners, video boards, sound system and ribbon boards in the arena itself.   

There should also be a revenue target of no less than $8.5 million a year from basketball.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 03:51:33 PM »
Surprised by some of the responses . . . seem to recall one or two on here who were fine with an NCAA tourney miss now and again.   Maybe I am mis-remembering (intentional)

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 04:15:37 PM »
closer to maximum expectation than minimum imo

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 06:11:38 PM »
1.  Keep the little cat slam jam. 

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 06:47:44 PM »
NCAA tourney every year. I mean..you gotta be a crappy team to not make the tournament now. Side expectations are to get a title every now and then and produce NBA talent.
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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 10:41:50 PM »
Just to add some facts to the discussion

Using the past ten years, how do the schools in the B12 fare under these expectations?

1.  Top 4 in conference 4 out of every 5 years.

KU - passes (100%)
KSU - fails (40%)
ISU - fails (10%)
CU - fails (10%)
NU - fails (0%)
MU - fails (20%)
OU - fails (40%)
OSU - fails (20%)
UT - fails (50%)
A&M - fails (50%)
TT - fails (10%)
BU - fails (20%)


2.  Challange for conference title 1 out of every 4 years.  (Within 2 games)

KU - passes (100%)
KSU - fails (0%)
ISU - fails (0%)
CU - fails (0%)
NU - fails (0%)
MU - fails (20%)
OU -passes (30%)
OSU - fails (20%)
UT - passes (50%)
A&M - fails (10%)
TT - fails (10%)
BU - fails (0%)

3.  Make the NCAA tourney 4 out of every 5 years, never lower than a 9th seed. 
KU - passes (100%)
KSU - fails (30%)
ISU - fails (10%)
CU - fails (0%)
NU - fails (0%)
MU - fails (30%)
OU - fails (50%)
OSU - fails (40%)
UT - fails (90%)
A&M - fails (50%)
TT - fails (20%)
BU - fails (20%)

4.  Always winning the 1st round game of every NCAA tourney K-State is in. 
KU - fails (80%)
KSU - passes (100%)
ISU - passes (100%)
CU - fails (50%)
NU - fails (0%)
MU - fails (50%)
OU - fails (80%)
OSU - fails (75%)
UT - fails (80%)
A&M - passes (100%)
TT - fails (67%)
BU - fails (67%)

5.  Sweet 16 (at least)- 2 out of every 4 NCAA tourney appearences. 
KU - pases (60%)
ISU - fails (0%)
CU - fails (0%)
ISU - fails (25%)
NU - fails (0%)
MU - fails (20%)
OU - fails (40%)
OSU - passes (50%)
UT - fails (40%)
A&M - fails (20%)
TT - fails (33%)
BU - passes (67%)

0 schools pass all tests
1 passes 4 (KU)

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 10:45:38 PM »
so.... do you want dax to lower his expectations or what is it that you want?

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2012, 10:49:16 PM »
so.... do you want dax to lower his expectations or what is it that you want?
I don't want anything.  I just added some actual facts to the "discussion" to perhaps put things into perspective.  Basically you can eff off.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2012, 10:57:02 PM »
so.... do you want dax to lower his expectations or what is it that you want?
I don't want anything.  I just added some actual facts to the "discussion" to perhaps put things into perspective.  Basically you can eff off.

sports are about feelings, not facts.  you of all people should know that.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2012, 10:59:17 PM »
so.... do you want dax to lower his expectations or what is it that you want?
I don't want anything.  I just added some actual facts to the "discussion" to perhaps put things into perspective.  Basically you can eff off.

sports are about feelings, not facts.  you of all people should know that.
I disagree almost 100% with that statement.

you know nothing about me and/or what I should know you presumptuous bad person

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2012, 11:01:59 PM »
so.... do you want dax to lower his expectations or what is it that you want?
I don't want anything.  I just added some actual facts to the "discussion" to perhaps put things into perspective.  Basically you can eff off.

sports are about feelings, not facts.  you of all people should know that.
I disagree almost 100% with that statement.

you know nothing about me and/or what I should know you presumptuous bad person

i feel sorry for you, msc.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2012, 11:34:06 PM »
 :lol:
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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2012, 11:42:37 PM »
:lol:

sys is laughing b/c if frank couldn't do it (didn't even come close) then no one can.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2012, 11:54:40 PM »
pffft

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2012, 02:00:24 AM »
Dax, I don't know much about B-ball, but those seem like pretty steep expectos, given what Chingon said.


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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2012, 05:06:53 AM »
We're a football school.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2012, 08:37:13 AM »
Dax, I don't know much about B-ball, but those seem like pretty steep expectos, given what Chingon said.

They "feel" attainable when you think of what a long-term coach would do in those ten years.  Of course, how many schools retain a coach for ten years?  Except for the historical basketball schools, coaches achieving those results will move on to "bigger and better" and coaches not achieving them will get let go with the schools imagining somebody else can achieve those results.

Our situation was kind of weird.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2012, 09:24:22 AM »
It is pretty clear what dax wants, he wants to be KU.  KU being a dominant force in this league kills him inside.
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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2012, 09:44:36 AM »
#1 seed and a National Championship game appearance in year one.  Anything less and he should be fired.

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Re: Once again: What is the minimum expectations of K-State Basketball?
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2012, 10:13:18 AM »
Wow Chin . . . really hammered home how achievable the minimum conference I put down are given how relatively weak and inconsistent the conference teams are once you get past ku.

No excuse for K-State not to step up and meet the minimum.