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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #400 on: July 31, 2012, 07:58:29 AM »
don't take it out on someone who's gay or black

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« Reply #401 on: July 31, 2012, 08:39:06 AM »
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2011/05/concealed-carry-permit-holder-stops.html



http://blogsofwar.com/2007/04/22/gun-control-gets-personal/

http://www.rightwingnews.com/guns/concealed-carry-permitholder-stops-stabbing-rampage-in-utah/

Oh crap: Here's a goldmine!
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/customer-shoots-suspects-during-internet-cafe-robbery/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/michigan-ccw-holder-stops-knife-assault/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/armed-colorado-physician-rescues-50-bystanders-from-hostage-situation/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/pennsylvania-cyclist-ends-teen-robbery-spree/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/south-carolinian-kills-armed-restaurant-robber/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/arizona-man-survives-gun-battle/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/ohio-woman-fights-off-sex-offender/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/armed-houston-dad-foils-attack-on-14-year-old-daughter/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/armed-naples-fl-clerk-foils-robbery-kidnap-attempt/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/st-petersburg-fl-man-decides-to-stay-armed-then-stops-mugging/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/south-carolina-convenience-store-owner-stops-armed-robber/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-departments/true-stories/philly-area-senior-citizen-pistol-whips-younger-bigger-robber/

There appears to be thousands more on that site, but before I waste any more time, I thought I'd see what you could find.  I was skipping all of the home invasion ones... I only posted the "gun-nut" carrying out in public ones - but I encourage you to double check my work.   

You know what I did notice in every story I read though?  Every one involved someone deserving to rough ridin' get shot - alot of them I wish would have been killed instead of just being wounded and later hauled off to jail.   But be sure to watch this last one below - speaks perfectly to why the 2nd amendment is extremely relevant.


A good example of why I don't think cops should be responsible for my safety - rough ridin' pig probably kept his job after this stunt - We have guns so we don't end up in a police state


NK, do I still have to scan in my magazine?

You never had to, but if you want to, you still can.

Would it be redundant at this point, from your perspective?

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« Reply #402 on: July 31, 2012, 08:44:39 AM »
I would like to know the percentage of gun-related crimes committed by people with a CCL in CCL states. Is that info available HB?

How the eff should I know? 

Let's have a google contest though, my fellow gun nuts and I will look for instances of CCL's stopping a crime and the anti-gun nuts can look for instances where a person with a CCL accidentally/purposely shot someone or broke the law.  The handicap will be the mostly liberal media jumping all over a reason to ban guns and not covering CCL saves.   Ready...   GO!

Well I was asking because I feel like it would be extremely low, which would help your point.

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« Reply #403 on: July 31, 2012, 08:46:00 AM »


That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. 

"Hey guys!  Everyone knows that faces are completely rough ridin' symetrical, and the left ear always always always matches up identically to the right ear, so comparing this left ear from picture 1 and this right ear from picture 2 tells me that these two pictures are of a different person... except for the picture in the middle where the clearly same dude has asymmetrical ears...wait... eff... The nose!!! Look at the Nose!  Ones thin & the other isn't!   That's it!  Clearly a different person!  Except in one picture he's smiling and sometimes the muscles in your face cause an involuntary nostril flair and in the other picture he's frowning and trying to look crazy... wait... eff."

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. Not to mention that he's looking directly at the camera in the middle pic and his head is tilted and he has a weird facial expression in his crazy pic. This analysis must have been performed by a birther.

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« Reply #404 on: July 31, 2012, 08:46:24 AM »
Would it be redundant at this point, from your perspective?

Probably, but if the articles have cool pictures, it could be worth everyone's time.

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« Reply #405 on: July 31, 2012, 09:15:16 AM »


Pic on the left looks like Two-Face .

Yeah, he could pull Two Face off much better than the Joker. Maybe he should start going with that.

In a theater, that would have been a lot of coin flips.  I mean, enough to nullify this gun argument.  I mean, you just get up and walk out the first time he drops the coin.

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« Reply #406 on: July 31, 2012, 09:30:54 AM »


Pic on the left looks like Two-Face .

Yeah, he could pull Two Face off much better than the Joker. Maybe he should start going with that.

In a theater, that would have been a lot of coin flips.  I mean, enough to nullify this gun argument.  I mean, you just get up and walk out the first time he drops the coin.

He could have just done one coin flip before he started spraying, though. And that coin could have saved a whole lot more lives than his 100 round clip did ( :D ). My point was that he's a really shitty joker moreso than that he's a good two face, anyway. He's a much better two face than joker.

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« Reply #407 on: July 31, 2012, 09:41:17 AM »
Would it be redundant at this point, from your perspective?

Probably, but if the articles have cool pictures, it could be worth everyone's time.

It's the NRA, they don't even know what Youtube is.

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« Reply #408 on: July 31, 2012, 09:43:00 AM »
Would it be redundant at this point, from your perspective?

Probably, but if the articles have cool pictures, it could be worth everyone's time.

It's the NRA, they don't even know what Youtube is.

Thank god for that too.  Can you imagine what would be uploaded and clogging the YouTube servers?

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #409 on: July 31, 2012, 10:06:44 AM »
Would it be redundant at this point, from your perspective?

Probably, but if the articles have cool pictures, it could be worth everyone's time.

It's the NRA, they don't even know what Youtube is.

Thank god for that too.  Can you imagine what would be uploaded and clogging the YouTube servers?

Would subscribe.

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« Reply #410 on: July 31, 2012, 10:13:55 AM »
Would it be redundant at this point, from your perspective?

Probably, but if the articles have cool pictures, it could be worth everyone's time.

It's the NRA, they don't even know what Youtube is.

Thank god for that too.  Can you imagine what would be uploaded and clogging the YouTube servers?

Would subscribe.

Yeah seems like it would be amazing

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« Reply #411 on: July 31, 2012, 10:54:13 AM »
A summary of my thoughts - and if you're passionate about gun control, I would suggest you come to some sort of conclusion and form a rebuttal on this, my last argument.  Several studies found linkages between violent death rates and socio-economic development, demonstrating that homicide rates are higher wherever income disparity, extreme poverty, and hunger are high. 

Separating the stats of methodology used in violent death does not address the above causes of violence.  The argument “guns don’t kill people, people Kill people” while irritating, and factually incorrect as guns do indeed kill people – The theme behind this statement merely points out that removing the method of violent crimes, does not remove the tendency to commit violent crimes.  Gun control advocates are quick to point out that violent crimes committed with guns are abnormally high in the United States and ask for some explanation.  My only response is we have the least restrictive gun laws in the world and guns are widely available; as stated above, guns are effective tools for killing.  Seems like a victory for advocating for gun control, but I then ask you to please explain this study: www.genevadeclaration.org/fileadmin/docs/GBAV2/GBAV2011-Fig-2.3-complete.pdf
 
Why if the United states has the highest rate of gun deaths, do we not even show up on a list of countries with high rates of violent deaths?  Are we to expect that if the popular method of violent crimes are removed, that violent crimes would also disappear?  What correlation do you see between the list of countries linked above?  Is it possible that addressing issues of income disparity, extreme poverty, and hunger would go farther to stopping not only gun deaths, but all violent deaths?   What tools would individuals resort to if guns were not available?  Would instances such as Aurora Colorado have been worse if a bomb was used?  How would tighter gun control stop Oklahoma City type bombings?  Could guns play some part in preventing violent crimes from taking place?  To answer that question, I invite you to spend time here: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/category/ccm-departments/true-stories/

Next on the agenda; Assault weapons.  The common theme seems to be “no one needs assault weapons”  I would ask you what defines an assault weapon?  High capacity? Can be obtained in most hand-guns; up to 40 rounds. High power? Most hunting rifles are consider high powered and can be expanded to have higher capacity. Rate of fire? Fully automatic weapons have been HIGHLY regulated since 1934 and purchasing one requires multiple identity checks, costly permits, and extreme laws pertaining to transportation – licensing and selling which are all punishable as federal offenses if not followed correctly; gun control enthusiast already won that battle.  Semi-automatic? Everything from a handgun, to shotgun & even high powered rifle can be purchased or modified to be semi-automatic.   The honest truth is what defines an assault weapon is the behind intent of the user.  An individual may choose to assault someone with a shotgun, while one individual may defend themselves with an “assault rifle”.  Picking and choosing what guns to restrict leads you down that dangerous rabbit hole of eliminating all guns leaving individuals defenseless against the violent crimes that, based on my above argument, are sure to still be rampant.  I do think it’s important to point out that James Holmes likely killed more people with the shot-gun & hand gun combined than he did with his AR-15; as he started first with the shotgun – unloading as little as 6 rounds – possibly more, switched to the hand gun unloading 40 rounds in one clip & finally went to the AR-15 where fortunately his gun jammed before getting off all 100 rounds.  What would preventing the sales or ownership of any weapon - stopped? He was intent on assaulting – and any available weapon could have been chosen.

The sad truth behind all of this, is we as society, need guns.  We need them to protect ourselves from tyranny.  We need them to protect ourselves from violence.  We need them to protect ourselves from our protectors.  Until the military, the police, & homeland security lay down their guns – I would suggest you keep the right to have one.

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« Reply #412 on: July 31, 2012, 11:08:38 AM »

Separating the stats of methodology used in violent death does not address the above causes of violence.  The argument “guns don’t kill people, people Kill people” while irritating, and factually incorrect as guns do indeed kill people – The theme behind this statement merely points out that removing the method of violent crimes, does not remove the tendency to commit violent crimes.  Gun control advocates are quick to point out that violent crimes committed with guns are abnormally high in the United States and ask for some explanation.  My only response is we have the least restrictive gun laws in the world and guns are widely available; as stated above, guns are effective tools for killing.  Seems like a victory for advocating for gun control, but I then ask you to please explain this study: www.genevadeclaration.org/fileadmin/docs/GBAV2/GBAV2011-Fig-2.3-complete.pdf
 
Why if the United states has the highest rate of gun deaths, do we not even show up on a list of countries with high rates of violent deaths?  Are we to expect that if the popular method of violent crimes are removed, that violent crimes would also disappear?  What correlation do you see between the list of countries linked above?  Is it possible that addressing issues of income disparity, extreme poverty, and hunger would go farther to stopping not only gun deaths, but all violent deaths?   What tools would individuals resort to if guns were not available?  Would instances such as Aurora Colorado have been worse if a bomb was used?  How would tighter gun control stop Oklahoma City type bombings?  Could guns play some part in preventing violent crimes from taking place?  To answer that question, I invite you to spend time here: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/category/ccm-departments/true-stories/

:lol: I feel like this is heinz ballz's slammin' dews and eating baloney sandwiches moment. The chart and subsequent analysis is top notch.

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« Reply #413 on: July 31, 2012, 11:35:05 AM »
A summary of my thoughts - and if you're passionate about gun control, I would suggest you come to some sort of conclusion and form a rebuttal on this, my last argument.  Several studies found linkages between violent death rates and socio-economic development, demonstrating that homicide rates are higher wherever income disparity, extreme poverty, and hunger are high. 

Separating the stats of methodology used in violent death does not address the above causes of violence.  The argument “guns don’t kill people, people Kill people” while irritating, and factually incorrect as guns do indeed kill people – The theme behind this statement merely points out that removing the method of violent crimes, does not remove the tendency to commit violent crimes.  Gun control advocates are quick to point out that violent crimes committed with guns are abnormally high in the United States and ask for some explanation.  My only response is we have the least restrictive gun laws in the world and guns are widely available; as stated above, guns are effective tools for killing.  Seems like a victory for advocating for gun control, but I then ask you to please explain this study: www.genevadeclaration.org/fileadmin/docs/GBAV2/GBAV2011-Fig-2.3-complete.pdf
 
Why if the United states has the highest rate of gun deaths, do we not even show up on a list of countries with high rates of violent deaths?  Are we to expect that if the popular method of violent crimes are removed, that violent crimes would also disappear?  What correlation do you see between the list of countries linked above?  Is it possible that addressing issues of income disparity, extreme poverty, and hunger would go farther to stopping not only gun deaths, but all violent deaths?   What tools would individuals resort to if guns were not available?  Would instances such as Aurora Colorado have been worse if a bomb was used?  How would tighter gun control stop Oklahoma City type bombings?  Could guns play some part in preventing violent crimes from taking place?  To answer that question, I invite you to spend time here: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/category/ccm-departments/true-stories/

Next on the agenda; Assault weapons.  The common theme seems to be “no one needs assault weapons”  I would ask you what defines an assault weapon?  High capacity? Can be obtained in most hand-guns; up to 40 rounds. High power? Most hunting rifles are consider high powered and can be expanded to have higher capacity. Rate of fire? Fully automatic weapons have been HIGHLY regulated since 1934 and purchasing one requires multiple identity checks, costly permits, and extreme laws pertaining to transportation – licensing and selling which are all punishable as federal offenses if not followed correctly; gun control enthusiast already won that battle.  Semi-automatic? Everything from a handgun, to shotgun & even high powered rifle can be purchased or modified to be semi-automatic.   The honest truth is what defines an assault weapon is the behind intent of the user.  An individual may choose to assault someone with a shotgun, while one individual may defend themselves with an “assault rifle”.  Picking and choosing what guns to restrict leads you down that dangerous rabbit hole of eliminating all guns leaving individuals defenseless against the violent crimes that, based on my above argument, are sure to still be rampant.  I do think it’s important to point out that James Holmes likely killed more people with the shot-gun & hand gun combined than he did with his AR-15; as he started first with the shotgun – unloading as little as 6 rounds – possibly more, switched to the hand gun unloading 40 rounds in one clip & finally went to the AR-15 where fortunately his gun jammed before getting off all 100 rounds.  What would preventing the sales or ownership of any weapon - stopped? He was intent on assaulting – and any available weapon could have been chosen.

The sad truth behind all of this, is we as society, need guns.  We need them to protect ourselves from tyranny.  We need them to protect ourselves from violence.  We need them to protect ourselves from our protectors.  Until the military, the police, & homeland security lay down their guns – I would suggest you keep the right to have one.

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« Reply #415 on: July 31, 2012, 08:40:12 PM »
I own an AR-15 and multiple hand guns and have a CCL does this make me a nut bag? I own these guns because they are fun and enjoyable for me to shoot not because I am afraid of everybody including the government. Are the practical? No, but I could argue that neither is owning a Corvette. Some people like to play video games some people like to shoot firearms. To each their own.

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« Reply #416 on: July 31, 2012, 09:07:07 PM »
I own an AR-15 and multiple hand guns and have a CCL does this make me a nut bag? I own these guns because they are fun and enjoyable for me to shoot not because I am afraid of everybody including the government. Are the practical? No, but I could argue that neither is owning a Corvette. Some people like to play video games some people like to shoot firearms. To each their own.

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« Reply #417 on: July 31, 2012, 09:08:35 PM »
I own an AR-15 and multiple hand guns and have a CCL does this make me a nut bag? I own these guns because they are fun and enjoyable for me to shoot not because I am afraid of everybody including the government. Are the practical? No, but I could argue that neither is owning a Corvette. Some people like to play video games some people like to shoot firearms. To each their own.

People like you are why I don't want to ban guns.

People like heinz are why I do want to ban guns.

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« Reply #418 on: July 31, 2012, 09:37:30 PM »
Dr. Drew was a guest on the Adam Carolla Show (podcast) on 7/29/2012 and they talked about this for a while. Was pretty interesting and didn't focus so much on gun control as it did the need for better mental health measures, assessments, supports, etc. You can get it free from the iTunes store if you're interested. Interesting listening for anyone regardless of where you fall in the gun debate. (I think they start talking about it, like, halfway through the episode or something.)
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« Reply #419 on: July 31, 2012, 10:11:21 PM »



deflect, deflect, deflect...    :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

... if you're passionate about gun control, I would suggest you come to some sort of conclusion and form a rebuttal ...

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« Reply #420 on: July 31, 2012, 10:25:41 PM »
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« Reply #421 on: August 01, 2012, 08:39:55 AM »
I own an AR-15 and multiple hand guns and have a CCL does this make me a nut bag?

No, not unless you are carrying your guns with you everywhere you go because you are worried you might need them for protection.

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« Reply #422 on: August 01, 2012, 09:40:39 AM »
If this thread was a farm animal I would have taken it out back and shot it 15 pages ago.
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« Reply #423 on: August 01, 2012, 09:41:59 AM »
If this thread was a farm animal I would have taken it out back and shot it 15 pages ago.

This thread is old yeller, but he's been taken in by a bunch of gun control advocates.

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« Reply #424 on: August 01, 2012, 12:18:24 PM »
I own an AR-15 and multiple hand guns and have a CCL does this make me a nut bag?

No, not unless you are carrying your guns with you everywhere you go because you are worried you might need them for protection.

that's kind of the point of a ccl
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