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Offline Dr Rick Daris

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I don't like your tone, Pan. You aren't smarter or more rational than anyone here.

Currie mumped up the basketball situation, plain and simple. Football has nothing to do with it.

I never said that I was.

And people are acting like Currie was going to go out there and spend a bunch of money on a known commodity or any money on an unknown commodity (i.e. Gottlieb) for a sport we aren't going to make a lot of money on regardless, and you know he's not going to do that.

Regardless of whether or not it would be the hire I would have made, or whether or not I like the hire is irrelevant.  The general tone is that Currie won't hire a good football coach because he screwed up the Weber hire.  I contend that's not the case because Currie doesn't give a crap about basketball (or no more than he has to) and he made what he considers to be a safe choice based on comfort and economics.

As stated, he had a hand in Tennessee hiring Lane Kiffin.  Obviously, that's exactly the kind of football hire we'll need to make, so his track record states that he's not afraid to think outside the box in football because, again, that's where the money is.


if by "having a hand in tennessee hiring lane kiffin" you mean he "worked at tennessee when they hired kiffin" then i agree. if you mean anything more then i disagree. tennesse would've hired kiffin regardless of whether or not john currie was employed there at the time.

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how great would a bob krause / john currie tag team be?  currie can crunch numbers and nerd out on spreadsheets all day and bob can completely pull off cowboy wear like a badass while he slugs scotch with the kansas hicks and pals around with the coaches who all love him. 

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So, now that we're agreed that Currie is a CFO concerned almost solely with the bottom line, how do we get rid of him?
:adios:

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how great would a bob krause / john currie tag team be?  currie can crunch numbers and nerd out on spreadsheets all day and bob can completely pull off cowboy wear like a badass while he slugs scotch with the kansas hicks and pals around with the coaches who all love him. 

I think I offered Broiler that exact role during the MOAP2.5 game.

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So, now that we're agreed that Currie is a CFO concerned almost solely with the bottom line, how do we get rid of him?

he's more concerned with getting the hell out of manhattan

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So, now that we're agreed that Currie is a CFO concerned almost solely with the bottom line, how do we get rid of him?

he's more concerned with getting the hell out of manhattan

 :dance:  :bball:
:adios:

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So, now that we're agreed that Currie is a CFO concerned almost solely with the bottom line, how do we get rid of him?

he's more concerned with getting the hell out of manhattan

Really sucks for us how much more employable Frank was than Currie.

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Currie can just be left to go work on the stuff he wants to deal with.  He won't have to spend a bunch of time worrying about a demanding basketball coach, nor will he have to worry about dealing with constant re-negotiations when other schools make a run at him every year.

Agree with all the points about why football needs to be the profit-maker, but didn't Currie spend a lot of time dealing (rough ridin') with basketball by choice?  I mean, Frank didn't insist that Currie come to his Pittsburgh hotel room the night before the Syracuse game when Currie could've been back in Manhattan picking out hardhats for the first WSC guided tour.

You spend 80% of your time dealing with 20% of your "problem employees".

I think.  I heard that in some management class.  But I think it applies here.  If Frank was a big problem for him, and I'm going to assume that Frank was very high maintenance, I can see a guy like Currie wanting him gone if he didn't want to make basketball his primary focus.

I'm sure a part of their friction was Frank feeling like we didn't give him or his program enough focus, and Currie wondering why a basketball coach is demanding so much of his money/time.  Both points were probably valid, but in this instance, Currie wins because we just don't have as much pie to go around here like they would at, say, South Carolina.

A good CFO puts money where it makes money.  A good executive also knows where to spend his time and effort because time is money.  For every meeting he had to take with Frank, or for every little fire of Frank's he had to put out, that was money he wasn't spending hitting people up for money somewhere else.  I'm sure it rubbed him wrong.

a couple of things...


-brevity is the soul of whit.  remember that for future posts.
-currie sure has put a lot of time and money into the basketball practice facility given how little amount of time and money you suggest he wants to spend on basketball.
-i'm pretty sure frank with have been pretty happy with less currie, not more like you suggest.
-keeping basketball at a high level did not have to mean taking away from football, like you suggest. i expect people to walk and chew gum at the same time.
-losing frank and replacing him with weber provides a data point that suggests currie cannot keep attractive coaches and cannont hire attractive coaches. no more/no less.
-nobody here has ever been against pumping money into football like you seem to think and i personally resent you trying to paint it that way. we all wish they'd pump more into it. like flying the players to dallas for their bowl game instead of trying to make them bus down there for starters.

All valid points.  We needed a practice facility, and we had a considerable number of people willing to privately contribute money for it.  Why not build it when people will pay for it?

Frank wanted less Currie from a compliance standpoint.  That's not exactly what I was talking about.

I personally think that Currie's not as interested in keeping us at a Top 25 level in basketball as much as he is keeping people paying for the games.  I agree that I have higher expectations (as you do) and do not like how the process was handled in basketball.  I don't want to give the impression that I support Currie's decision or that I "like" him.  I do not on either account. I'm just stating what I think his thought process was.

As far as the keeping coaches/hiring coaches thing, it's a valid point. We have one data point.  It's bad.  We have two data points at Tennessee, and they're good.  Maybe he's good at suggesting and supporting high risk/high reward hires when it's not his butt on the line.  That is completely probable.

I never said anyone was against pumping money into football, I wasn't talking down to anyone here, and if it came out that way, I didn't mean for it to.  But knowing what we know about Currie, and how he's so cheap and bean countery, the Weber hire made perfect sense to me.  Doesn't mean I like it, doesn't mean that I don't agree with the anger, and it doesn't mean that I think people here don't get it.  I do think people on this site place more of an emphasis on basketball than any other KSU site out there, and I think people are more emotionally attached to it.  Currie strikes me as a demographic guy, and I'm assuming he aims for the t-shirt KU basketball/KSU football fans and will make most decisions accordingly.

I have the utmost respect for all of the regulars here, so my intent is not to disrespect anyone.  I've been here long enough that you guys know better than that.  Also, I wish that I could say more with less, and I've always tried to improve in that regard.


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So, now that we're agreed that Currie is a CFO concerned almost solely with the bottom line, how do we get rid of him?

he's more concerned with getting the hell out of manhattan

I think it would be best for all parties if that were to happen ASAP.

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he never hired anyone at TN.  quit saying that.

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Football/Basketball are not mutually exclusive and I'm sick of people acting like killing basketball was to help football.  We ran 23 million in the black, we have resources for both.

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Panj should take out all the parts about how he hates Currie too and spin everything much better for Currie and then write Currie's cover letters for him.  Ultimately, what we need is a sucker to take Currie off our hands.

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Football/Basketball are not mutually exclusive and I'm sick of people acting like killing basketball was to help football.  We ran 23 million in the black, we have resources for both.

Didn't someone say that the accounting practices made us report a lot of the donations for the West Side thing up front?  Therefore, we're not really running $23 million in the black because that money was spoken for?

Again, I could be wrong, but I thought I read/heard that.

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Panj should take out all the parts about how he hates Currie too and spin everything much better for Currie and then write Currie's cover letters for him.  Ultimately, what we need is a sucker to take Currie off our hands.

If it got him out of here faster, I'd gladly do it.

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Can I also say that a part of me wants Currie here for the plain and simple reason that I feel he's one of the best Sean deterrents?

I'm sure most ADs probably would be, but again, that's the ultimate nightmare scenario in my head, so a part of me is comfortable with him being here knowing that Sean has absolutely no chance at getting the job while Currie is here.  I literally do worry that the next AD may be weak and cave to Bill.

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Didn't someone say that the accounting practices made us report a lot of the donations for the West Side thing up front?  Therefore, we're not really running $23 million in the black because that money was spoken for?

Again, I could be wrong, but I thought I read/heard that.

Yeah, Currie (or Mary Ellen Sue Louise).

http://www.kstatesports.com/blog/2012/05/letter-from-ad-john-currie---may-4.html

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he never hired anyone at TN.  quit saying that.

He never hired.  The articles always say, "He had a hand."

So, no, it's not the same thing so I shouldn't imply that it is.  Point taken.

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you can bet your ass we'd have head coach sean snyder if wefald was still running crap into the ground

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Didn't someone say that the accounting practices made us report a lot of the donations for the West Side thing up front?  Therefore, we're not really running $23 million in the black because that money was spoken for?

Again, I could be wrong, but I thought I read/heard that.

Yeah, Currie (or Mary Ellen Sue Louise).

http://www.kstatesports.com/blog/2012/05/letter-from-ad-john-currie---may-4.html

Oh, well screw that then.  Nevermind.

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I literally do worry that the next AD may be Bill.

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I got a guy on the other line about some white walls

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the animal won't hire bill as ad.  this isn't NU. 

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Currie can just be left to go work on the stuff he wants to deal with.  He won't have to spend a bunch of time worrying about a demanding basketball coach, nor will he have to worry about dealing with constant re-negotiations when other schools make a run at him every year.

Agree with all the points about why football needs to be the profit-maker, but didn't Currie spend a lot of time dealing (rough ridin') with basketball by choice?  I mean, Frank didn't insist that Currie come to his Pittsburgh hotel room the night before the Syracuse game when Currie could've been back in Manhattan picking out hardhats for the first WSC guided tour.

You spend 80% of your time dealing with 20% of your "problem employees".

I think.  I heard that in some management class.  But I think it applies here.  If Frank was a big problem for him, and I'm going to assume that Frank was very high maintenance, I can see a guy like Currie wanting him gone if he didn't want to make basketball his primary focus.

I'm sure a part of their friction was Frank feeling like we didn't give him or his program enough focus, and Currie wondering why a basketball coach is demanding so much of his money/time.  Both points were probably valid, but in this instance, Currie wins because we just don't have as much pie to go around here like they would at, say, South Carolina.

A good CFO puts money where it makes money.  A good executive also knows where to spend his time and effort because time is money.  For every meeting he had to take with Frank, or for every little fire of Frank's he had to put out, that was money he wasn't spending hitting people up for money somewhere else.  I'm sure it rubbed him wrong.

a couple of things...


-brevity is the soul of whit.  remember that for future posts.
-currie sure has put a lot of time and money into the basketball practice facility given how little amount of time and money you suggest he wants to spend on basketball.
-i'm pretty sure frank with have been pretty happy with less currie, not more like you suggest.
-keeping basketball at a high level did not have to mean taking away from football, like you suggest. i expect people to walk and chew gum at the same time.
-losing frank and replacing him with weber provides a data point that suggests currie cannot keep attractive coaches and cannont hire attractive coaches. no more/no less.
-nobody here has ever been against pumping money into football like you seem to think and i personally resent you trying to paint it that way. we all wish they'd pump more into it. like flying the players to dallas for their bowl game instead of trying to make them bus down there for starters.

Why not build it when people will pay for it?

Frank wanted less Currie from a compliance standpoint.  That's not exactly what I was talking about.

I personally think that Currie's not as interested in keeping us at a Top 25 level in basketball.

As far as the keeping coaches/hiring coaches thing, it's a valid point. We have one data point.  It's bad.  We have two data points at Tennessee, and they're good.  Maybe he's good at suggesting and supporting high risk/high reward hires when it's not his butt on the line.  That is completely probable.



you don't build it because it took up a lot of his time. time that he could've been spending on football according to you. i'm basically just making fun of your point about how currie doesn't have the time to deal with bball here.

frank wanted less of currie from every standpoint. compliance yeah prob, but i also bet that frank also didn't appreciate being forced to write that letter to the collegian about not cussing anymore, etc along with a million other things that had nothing to do w/ compliance. currie micro manages everybody. everybody.

currie was not the athletic director at tennessee. he does not get a plus or a minus for those hires, just like laird veatch doesn't get one for the weber hire.



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he never hired anyone at TN.  quit saying that.

He never hired.  The articles always say, "He had a hand."

So, no, it's not the same thing so I shouldn't imply that it is.  Point taken.

yeah, i mean there was a good stretch of time where my resume stated that i managed a restaurant/bar while i was in college. guess what? i really was just a bartender.

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also, if currie really did ship frank off because he was demanding and took up a lot of john's time like panjandrum is suggesting, then currie needs to be let go immediately. that's inexcusable.

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But knowing what we know about Currie, and how he's so cheap and bean countery, the Weber hire made perfect sense to me. 

How?  Weber was making $1.3 million per his last three seasons at Illinois (post-firing seasons that is; money Illinois will still be paying him just to go away), and Currie hired him for $1.5 million per for five years.  How in the world does that make perfect sense to you from a financial standpoint?  That seems like a terrible, awful waste of money.  Weber was far from a hot commodity.  A BCS job was in and of itself a gift.  To give him a raise and a longer contract all while he'll be pulling in an additional $3.9 million over the first three years from Illinois is rough ridin' insane.  Weber would have sucked Currie's dick for $750K per for a BCS level job.  Weber doesn't need the money; he desperately craves the validation and affirmation.  Currie could, and should, have gotten him on the cheap in a major, major way.  $1.5 million is flash money for an up-and-comer, not some just crap-canned hack looking for redemption. 
My prescience is fully engorged.  It throbs with righteous accuracy.  I am sated.