Breaking Bad Season 5 Discussion so People like Rusty can Avoid Spoilers

[OK_Cat]

i would like to think that the show ends with jesse being the only one alive, and ends up with the woman and the kid.  but i don't think that there is a chance in hell that this show ends on a happy note.

[Mr Bread]

I didn't like how Walt offered the murderous group of Nazis all his cash not to kill Hank.  In what bizarro world do they not just take it all and still kill Hank?  Irl they would have killed Walt too.  I mean he's got zero leverage once he tells them it's buried right there for eff's sake.  Then he wants Jesse dead, but now he's going to save him?  He better rough ridin' not is all I have to say.  Nonsense. 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

better question is why are the nazis still wanting to cook? they just made $70 million for doing pretty much nothing.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I'm trying to figure out this Walt/Jesse thing.  I've got to think that the whole scene with Jesse and the nazis was some sort of smoke screen - like Walt wanted the nazis to take Jesse prisoner.  Kind of like how he played the abusive, villain husband to protect Skylar and family. 

If Walt really wanted Jesse dead, he could have had that done in the desert.  Somehow, by acting out the villainous, vengeful bad person character, Walt again kept Jesse alive while also executing some self-serving goal.  He probably knew that the nazis would eventually hunt Jesse down, seeing as he was the only witness to the crime.  I dunno.      

Jesse was hiding under Walt's car, right? So he was in the clear, but Walt handed him over, which marks the second time in a couple of days he's tried to kill him. So I can't see any brilliant subterfuge whereby Walk was actually trying to protect Jesse by handing him over. And then Walt tells Jesse about his girlfriend, which is about as "you're dead to me" as you can get.

So he's heading off with the big-ass gun and the Ricin. Target has to be the meth crew at this point, and I can't see how he's trying to rescue Jesse (I mean, the writers could always manufacture some lame reason for another change of heart, but whatever). So he's just going to finish the job and get his money back, or the crew has nabbed/threatened Walt's family.

My guess is the latter. Walt erased himself and went into hiding. He's not just going to suddenly change his mind and say "ok, now I'm ready to go back and get those guys." I think more likely, the crew starts rough ridin' with Walt's family (his house was trashed, Heisenberg on the wall, etc.) to lure Walt out of hiding.

And I'd guess that Jesse is behind it all. He's not done with Walt yet.

[ChiComCat]

better question is why are the nazis still wanting to cook? they just made $70 million for doing pretty much nothing.

Why does Mark Cuban still try to make money when he has billions?  A lot of times its not about the amount of money its just about more money.

I agree that Jesse gets out of the Nazi meth crew or just rises through the ranks with Lydia becomes a kingpin and goes after Walt.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

better question is why are the nazis still wanting to cook? they just made $70 million for doing pretty much nothing.

Why does Mark Cuban still try to make money when he has billions?  A lot of times its not about the amount of money its just about more money.

I agree that Jesse gets out of the Nazi meth crew or just rises through the ranks with Lydia becomes a kingpin and goes after Walt.

mark cuban didnt murder people and steal to get his money.

edit: i mean, i get why they still want more money. no one in the show has just walked away when they had "enough" money. uncle dipshit has to know when he shakes walts hand and lets him go that its not over. walt wont let him get away with killing hank.

[AbeFroman]

better question is why are the nazis still wanting to cook? they just made $70 million for doing pretty much nothing.

Why does Mark Cuban still try to make money when he has billions?  A lot of times its not about the amount of money its just about more money.

I agree that Jesse gets out of the Nazi meth crew or just rises through the ranks with Lydia becomes a kingpin and goes after Walt.

mark cuban didnt murder people and steal to get his money.

edit: i mean, i get why they still want more money. no one in the show has just walked away when they had "enough" money. uncle dipshit has to know when he shakes walts hand and lets him go that its not over. walt wont let him get away with killing hank.

How do you know that?

[Stevesie60]

The location of that gun shot hole, tho.

[Stevesie60]

Also this:

[Belvis Noland]

My guess is the latter. Walt erased himself and went into hiding. He's not just going to suddenly change his mind and say "ok, now I'm ready to go back and get those guys." I think more likely, the crew starts rough ridin' with Walt's family (his house was trashed, Heisenberg on the wall, etc.) to lure Walt out of hiding.

And I'd guess that Jesse is behind it all. He's not done with Walt yet.

Walt’s final words to Skylar on the phone... “I’ve still got things left to do.”

Walt formulated a plan somewhere between the point he fled his house and the point where he called Skylar and left Holly at the Fire Station. 

Regarding Jesse, I agree that everything that happened in the desert indicates that Walt is about as "you're dead to me" as you can get.  But, I still think he either did that for some unknown reason (this show is BITB when it comes to twists and turns) or he simply had a change of heart.   

Walt is a complex character who, even in at his darkest, continues to be humanized (Skylar phone call, begging for Hank's life, etc.)  If Walt had just given into the darkside, this show isn't compelling anymore.  The reason it's compelling is because Walt is a monster who you feel is still capable of becoming human again (scene with Holly). 

He tried saving Hank (family member who mumped him), he's tried saving Skylar (family member who's mumped him and Beneke), and he considers Jesse family.  So, yeah, even though Jesse has mumped him, I can see him try to save him too. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Speaking of Ted, is there any chance we see him over the next 2 episodes? I think Walt's phone call to Skylar would be enough for Marie to believe she had nothing to do with anything, but Ted is still out there and could still tie Skylar to the whole thing. We all thought he was dead after season 4. Why let us know he is still alive and then never have him pop up again?

[Stevesie60]

A couple random things from this episode:

1. When Walt's pushing the barrel in the desert, he passes the pair of pants he lost in the pilot.
2. When Jesse and Walt steal a barrel of some chemical they need in the first season, Hank and Gomie are watching the video. When they start to carry off the barrel, one of them says "it's a barrel, it rolls, stupid".
3. When they go to the fire station they are playing chess. It shows a king with a few pawns around it. It looks as if the king is about to be "checkmated" for lack of a better term.
4. Jesse throughout this series has been compared to a dog. A "problem dog" and "rabid dog" are episode titles involving him. At the end of the episode when Walt is in the car, a stray dog crosses the street.

[OK_Cat]

A couple random things from this episode:

1. When Walt's pushing the barrel in the desert, he passes the pair of pants he lost in the pilot.
2. When Jesse and Walt steal a barrel of some chemical they need in the first season, Hank and Gomie are watching the video. When they start to carry off the barrel, one of them says "it's a barrel, it rolls, stupid".
3. When they go to the fire station they are playing chess. It shows a king with a few pawns around it. It looks as if the king is about to be "checkmated" for lack of a better term.

love the detail   

[kitten_mittons]

Walt has no idea Jesse is alive.  He is going back with that gun to get his money back.  He's about to die and wants that money for his family.  Jesse may kill him when he does come back, tho.

[Cartierfor3]

I knew that stray dog had some meaning!

[Belvis Noland]

Walt has no idea Jesse is alive.  He is going back with that gun to get his money back.  He's about to die and wants that money for his family.  Jesse may kill him when he does come back, tho.

Well, Walt knows they need a cook.  And Jesse is a cook.  so, maybe he figures they'd keep him alive.    

[SpudCat]

A couple random things from this episode:

1. When Walt's pushing the barrel in the desert, he passes the pair of pants he lost in the pilot.
2. When Jesse and Walt steal a barrel of some chemical they need in the first season, Hank and Gomie are watching the video. When they start to carry off the barrel, one of them says "it's a barrel, it rolls, stupid".
3. When they go to the fire station they are playing chess. It shows a king with a few pawns around it. It looks as if the king is about to be "checkmated" for lack of a better term.
4. Jesse throughout this series has been compared to a dog. A "problem dog" and "rabid dog" are episode titles involving him. At the end of the episode when Walt is in the car, a stray dog crosses the street.

Oh man, the pants! When he passed them, I was all, "what the heck was that?" And then I forgot about it. That's awesome.


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[Tobias]

awesome stuff stevesie

[Cartierfor3]

I just really sad at the possibility of no more Badger/Skinny Pete scenes. They have to show up in one of these final 2 right?

['taterblast]

how about this:

jesse somehow escapes from the nazi gang OR he dies/commits suicide.

the nazis need a cook so decide to kidnap his family to pull Walt out of hiding.

that's why Walt is getting a big ass gun when he comes back to town.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

I think Walter gets his money back then takes the ricin, killing himself before the cancer does.

[TownieCat]

I think Walter gets his money back then takes the ricin, killing himself before the cancer does.

Marie did suggest that the only way he was getting out of this was to kill himself...

[Cartierfor3]

How is there not a meme of the Nazis and Todd that says "Big Head Todd and the Monsters"?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Walter gets his money back then takes the ricin, killing himself before the cancer does.

Maybe. Walt's a pretty smart guy, though, and he owns a gun. That would be a pretty stupid way to kill yourself.

[Stevesie60]

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/09/breaking-bad-theory-holly-white-pink-teddy-bear/