Author Topic: USA Basketball (Read 32137 times)

Cire · « **Reply #100 on:** July 19, 2012, 07:40:14 PM »

No effing way malone is 6 10

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #101 on:** July 19, 2012, 08:04:43 PM »

All players in their primes playing in 2013.

Jordan - starter, all-star, MVP.
Robinson - starter, all-star. In the conversation with guys like Howard and Duncan. '13 not many elite centers in the game.
Ewing - starter.
Bird - role player, probably starter. Still place in game for less athletic pure shooters. See Dirk.
Pippin - starter, probably fringe all star. If guys like Gilbert Arenas can be franchise players in today's game, Pippen can be an all-star.
Drexler - never watched him play much. He'd play in the NBA. Role player at worst.
Malone - starter, all-star, maybe MVP if he won a championship. As or more athletic than PF in game today.
Stockton - role player.
Mull in. - never saw him play, really. Again, he'd play in NBA bc pure shooters can play. He'll, steph curry got drafted.
Barkley - he'd play and would probably start. Glen Davis and the dude from OKC have both started in today's game. So would Barkley.
Magic. He'd play, probably start.
Laettner. He'd play. Role player. He'll, he played through the mid 2000s as it was. See Nick Collison.

Trim · « **Reply #102 on:** July 19, 2012, 08:15:18 PM »

Quote from: bakerman on July 19, 2012, 09:01:11 AM

Quote from: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
If any of the current #15-#30 best NBA players had played in the 80s/90s they would currently be seen (by dumbasses) as the greatest basketball player to ever play the game and people would be saying that nobody could ever surpass them. Their complete domination of the 80s/90s era players would make them seem much better then they actually were.

Isiah Thomas and Bill Lambier....

Go in the back...

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #103 on:** July 19, 2012, 08:17:05 PM »

Aging Jordan actually was in the league at the same time as young Kobe, and was much better. I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim that aging Kobe would be too much for in-his-prime Jordan to handle.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #104 on:** July 19, 2012, 08:37:46 PM »

The whole argument is that '13 NBA players are superior because science and training has created bigger stronger faster athletes. On the whole, this is true. I think it's most true in football. Probably less true for baseball (sans steroids) and NBA.

Just don't forget that the '92 guys were amazing athletes, most of whom played through the 90s and into the 00s. Were not talking about guys who played with peach baskets and chuck Ts.

Jordan, Robinson, Malone all retired in early 00s and were all stars in the 00s. Pippen, Stockton, Ewing, Laetner all retired in the 00s as well. I mean, Kobe played on the same floor as these guys.

Magic, Clyde, Bird, mullin were all a generation older, but I think they were still athletic enough to play in the '13 NBA.

_33 · « **Reply #105 on:** July 19, 2012, 08:43:52 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 08:37:46 PM

The whole argument is that '13 NBA players are superior because science and training has created bigger stronger faster athletes. On the whole, this is true. I think it's most true in football. Probably less true for baseball (sans steroids) and NBA.

Just don't forget that the '92 guys were amazing athletes, most of whom played through the 90s and into the 00s. Were not talking about guys who played with peach baskets and chuck Ts.

Jordan, Robinson, Malone all retired in early 00s and were all stars in the 00s. Pippen, Stockton, Ewing, Laetner all retired in the 00s as well. I mean, Kobe played on the same floor as these guys.

Magic, Clyde, Bird, mullin were all a generation older, but I think they were still athletic enough to play in the '13 NBA.

So you're saying a lot of these Dream Team Superstars were still playing when Kobe was dominating the NBA winning championship after championship in the early 2000's?

jmlynch1 · « **Reply #106 on:** July 19, 2012, 09:30:20 PM »

Barkley was leading scorer/rebounder in '92

bakerman · « **Reply #107 on:** July 20, 2012, 06:19:58 AM »

Quote from: Trim on July 19, 2012, 08:15:18 PM

Quote from: bakerman on July 19, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
If any of the current #15-#30 best NBA players had played in the 80s/90s they would currently be seen (by dumbasses) as the greatest basketball player to ever play the game and people would be saying that nobody could ever surpass them. Their complete domination of the 80s/90s era players would make them seem much better then they actually were.

Isiah Thomas and Bill Lambier....

Go in the back...

I take it these are your two favorite players of all time?

I was laughing with steve dave...

steve dave · « **Reply #108 on:** July 20, 2012, 07:10:23 AM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 08:37:46 PM

The whole argument is that '13 NBA players are superior because science and training has created bigger stronger faster athletes. On the whole, this is true. I think it's most true in football. Probably less true for baseball (sans steroids) and NBA.

Just don't forget that the '92 guys were amazing athletes, most of whom played through the 90s and into the 00s. Were not talking about guys who played with peach baskets and chuck Ts.

Jordan, Robinson, Malone all retired in early 00s and were all stars in the 00s. Pippen, Stockton, Ewing, Laetner all retired in the 00s as well. I mean, Kobe played on the same floor as these guys.

Magic, Clyde, Bird, mullin were all a generation older, but I think they were still athletic enough to play in the '13 NBA.

superior science and training is a small part of it compared to the time today's players have put into the game. they have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team players had at the same point in their careers. todays players just put more work into the game. the AAU grind instilled this in them early.

steve dave · « **Reply #109 on:** July 20, 2012, 07:13:54 AM »

Quote from: Cire on July 19, 2012, 07:40:14 PM

No effing way malone is 6 10

yeah, that was lol

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #110 on:** July 20, 2012, 09:23:15 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 07:10:23 AM

they have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team players had at the same point in their careers. todays players just put more work into the game. the AAU grind instilled this in them early.

What in the...

The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep · « **Reply #111 on:** July 20, 2012, 09:43:45 AM »

Entire 92' team had HIV they got from sharing water bottles from Magic, right? Don't think they could even play today.

asava · « **Reply #112 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:08:42 AM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on July 20, 2012, 09:23:15 AM

Quote from: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 07:10:23 AM

they have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team players had at the same point in their careers. todays players just put more work into the game. the AAU grind instilled this in them early.

What in the...

Your failure to see understand this might have something to do with thinking David Robinson could compete with Dwight Howard.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #113 on:** July 20, 2012, 11:41:49 AM »

Quote from: asava on July 20, 2012, 10:08:42 AM

Your failure to see understand this might have something to do with thinking David Robinson could compete with Dwight Howard.

Like I said in my list that I compiled for SD, Robinson would be "in the conversation with guys like Howard and Duncan. '13 not many elite centers in the game." I don't know if Robinson is better than Howard, but I think he could compete, i.e. start opposite him and do a nice job.

There simply aren't many great centers in the league today. You basically have Howard and then everybody else. Do you honestly think that guys like Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing in their prime aren't better than current NBA starters Aaron Gray, Marc Gasol, Andrea Bargnani, Andrew Bynum? Sersiouly, quit trolling for a second. Do you honestly believe this?

_33 · « **Reply #114 on:** July 20, 2012, 12:03:42 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on July 20, 2012, 11:41:49 AM

Quote from: asava on July 20, 2012, 10:08:42 AM

Your failure to see understand this might have something to do with thinking David Robinson could compete with Dwight Howard.

Like I said in my list that I compiled for SD, Robinson would be "in the conversation with guys like Howard and Duncan. '13 not many elite centers in the game." I don't know if Robinson is better than Howard, but I think he could compete, i.e. start opposite him and do a nice job.

There simply aren't many great centers in the league today. You basically have Howard and then everybody else. Do you honestly think that guys like Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing in their prime aren't better than current NBA starters Aaron Gray, Marc Gasol, Andrea Bargnani, Andrew Bynum? Sersiouly, quit trolling for a second. Do you honestly believe this?

Alonzo Mourning was better than all of those guys.

OK_Cat · « **Reply #115 on:** July 20, 2012, 12:13:49 PM »

serge ibaka would destroy the crap out of karl malone

steve dave · « **Reply #116 on:** July 20, 2012, 12:40:40 PM »

the thing about the big men of the dream team era was that teams were built around them. 6'8"+ plodders who couldn't play on the perimeter. that crap won't fly today. they would have roles in today's game but they would be minor roles. karl malone wouldn't do crap today. charles barkley would not be able to compete. he just wasn't big, athletic or skilled enough. malone and david robinson were seen as athletic freaks because they lifted weights back when nobody lifted weights. everyone lifts weights now. serge ibaka that okcat mentions WOULD destory karl malone and he's not seen as being good today. he's not seen as being an athletic freak. he would have been then.

michigancat · « **Reply #117 on:** July 20, 2012, 12:53:20 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 12:40:40 PM

the thing about the big men of the dream team era was that teams were built around them. 6'8"+ plodders who couldn't play on the perimeter. that crap won't fly today. they would have roles in today's game but they would be minor roles. karl malone wouldn't do crap today. charles barkley would not be able to compete. he just wasn't big, athletic or skilled enough. malone and david robinson were seen as athletic freaks because they lifted weights back when nobody lifted weights. everyone lifts weights now. serge ibaka that okcat mentions WOULD destory karl malone and he's not seen as being good today. he's not seen as being an athletic freak. he would have been then.

yeah, shaq changed the way the game was officiated and made it necessary for the guys to be so much stronger and more athletic. The game is just so much more physical now, which has really reduced the ability of centers to score. Back in the olden days, Olajuwon could just run to the block every time and the other team would let him catch it and he would do a hook shot with no one touching him. BFD.

SleepFighter · « **Reply #118 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:07:13 PM »

ESPN says, "Hey retards at goEMAW, athletes stopped getting better in early 90's".

steve dave · « **Reply #119 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:11:57 PM »

Quote from: SleepFighter on July 20, 2012, 03:07:13 PM

ESPN says, "Hey retards at goEMAW, athletes stopped getting better in early 90's".

steve dave says "Hey retards, ESPN is wrong"

SleepFighter · « **Reply #120 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:17:55 PM »

Someone needs to get Geoffroy Berthelot to start posting in this thread.

SleepFighter · « **Reply #121 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:20:13 PM »

It is cool to find out that ESPN the Magazine reads goEMAW, and they enjoy mushing Steve Dave in the face.

hemmy · « **Reply #122 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:34:08 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: SleepFighter on July 20, 2012, 03:07:13 PM
ESPN says, "Hey retards at goEMAW, athletes stopped getting better in early 90's".

steve dave says "Hey retards, ESPN is wrong"

steve dave, debunked by science.

michigancat · « **Reply #123 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:36:05 PM »

well, the world record for points in a game was set in 1964 and the world record for rebounds was set in 1960, so science obviously shows that basketball players stopped getting better in the mid-sixties.

steve dave · « **Reply #124 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:37:45 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on July 20, 2012, 03:36:05 PM

well, the world record for points in a game was set in 1964 and the world record for rebounds was set in 1960, so science obviously shows that basketball players stopped getting better in the mid-sixties.