KS Happy Hour

[Rams]

That sell your liquor license idea is so rough ridin' stupid. I am positive that is what Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) KS legislators are going to do after hearing it....pending someone coming up with an even more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) idea to trump it.

What's the SD plan?

[Pete]

I'm a pretty liberal guy, but this entire thread makes me want to join up with the Koch brothers.

Jesus rough ridin' Christ...people are seriously in favor of keeping NEEDLESS AND INTRUSIVE government regulation to ensure the high prices and market position of a very small number of capitalists selling vice.

Are you rough ridin' kidding me?  I mean, what the mary and joseph mother eff are you talking about?

[steve dave]

Pass the law, refrain from dumbassing it up by creating barriers to entry.

[Stevesie60]

I understand all the benefits of it passing, but how are you not the least bit sympathetic for liquor store owners in this situation? Sure, they probably knew it was a matter of time, but what were the supposed to do? They could have never predicted the time frame. Were they just supposed to sell their store and look for another job before it happened?

[steve dave]

Absolutely I feel bad for them. I feel bad for all failed or struggling business owners.

[DQ12]

Yeah, I have sympathy for liquor store owners whom this might adversely affect, but doing away with silly laws that adversely affect the general public and protect an outdated, niche-market seems like a tragic necessity, in this case.

[420seriouscat69]

This is great. Liquor stores will be fine.

[Saulbadguy]

I understand all the benefits of it passing, but how are you not the least bit sympathetic for liquor store owners in this situation? Sure, they probably knew it was a matter of time, but what were the supposed to do? They could have never predicted the time frame. Were they just supposed to sell their store and look for another job before it happened?

Should have expanded, diversified product, hire knowledgeable staff members, and made their stores not look like absolute shitholes.

[Rams]

Yeah, I have sympathy for liquor store owners whom this might adversely affect, but doing away with silly laws that adversely affect the general public and protect an outdated, niche-market seems like a tragic necessity, in this case.

I completely agree, but why not minimize the adverse affect on the liquor store owners in a way that doesn't adversely affect the general public?  it would be nothing for Kroger to shell out a few hundred grand for a couple liquor licenses.  I'd guess they'd make that up in a year or 2 on liquor sales.  that way you at least allow the liquor store owners a way out.  when business owners decide to invest their money in a certain industry, they do so partly based on the laws in place to regulate that industry.  if the government changes a major law, they owe it to those business owners to try and at least make them whole, imo.

to say that liquor store owners should have known that the law would change is just rough ridin' ignorant.

[steve dave]

Making a stupid rough ridin' barrier to entry is going to eff every mom and pop that wants to open a craft liquor place in the future. If you want to guarantee only the walmarts of the world are selling booze in ks then your barrier to entry may be the way to go though. Otherwise, it's probably the most ignorant thing in this thread to borrow from your post.

[Kat Kid]

Making a stupid rough ridin' barrier to entry is going to eff every mom and pop that wants to open a craft liquor place in the future. If you want to guarantee only the walmarts of the world are selling booze in ks then your barrier to entry may be the way to go though. Otherwise, it's probably the most ignorant thing in this thread to borrow from your post.

Free markets, except when my uncle owns a liquor store and my aunt gives officially licensed haircuts.

[Pete]

to say that liquor store owners should have known that the law would change is just rough ridin' ignorant.

What the eff?

Ever heard of the five forces...do a little swot analysis when you are looking into purchasing a liquor store.  Take a looksie around the rough ridin' world and see that every other rough ridin' state around you has done away with government protections.

Who goes into that thinking the world will never change?


Charging more for new liquor licenses is fine...if you go back and make all current holder buck up so that they are paying the full amount.


This isn't the rough ridin' family farm we are saving (though, I am against that crap as well).  They are selling god damn vice.  eff them.

I want to buy my booze cheap, and conveniently.  The way you can in every state that surrounds this rough ridin' crap hole of a territory.

[sys]

there is nothing more inherently fair than de facto preventing a couple million citizens from starting a particular business to protect the established interests of a handful of citizens that have based their livelihood on the receipt of govt-issued, restricted-trade licenses.

[steve dave]

there is nothing more inherently fair than de facto preventing a couple million citizens from starting a particular business to protect the established interests of a handful of citizens that have based their livelihood on the receipt of govt-issued, restricted-trade licenses.

Well put

[eastcat]

in the 70s KS was notoriously hardass about it's liquor laws and would prohibit airlines from serving booze on planes while traveling over KS.  KS was also the first state to pass a prohibition law and didn't end it until 15 years after national prohibition was repealed.

Vern Miller was the Kansas AG who notoriously enforced the liquor laws. According to one story, he boarded an airplane bound for Wichita and when the crew served drinks over Kansas airspace, he arrested them. He definitely did the same on an Amtrak train.

After that happened Vern was paid a visit by the Federal Air Marshall's service in 1986 IIRC. He wasn't charged but they informed him that if he did that again it would be a slam dunk to convict him on a life sentence for impeding a flight crew in their official duty, among other 1960's era Felony Air Piracy laws that also carry life sentences. I'm pretty sure he did it on Frontier airlines.

In 2011 It was reaffirmed that airspace anywhere in the U.S. is solely Federal Jurisdiction.

[Pete]

in the 70s KS was notoriously hardass about it's liquor laws and would prohibit airlines from serving booze on planes while traveling over KS.  KS was also the first state to pass a prohibition law and didn't end it until 15 years after national prohibition was repealed.

Vern Miller was the Kansas AG who notoriously enforced the liquor laws. According to one story, he boarded an airplane bound for Wichita and when the crew served drinks over Kansas airspace, he arrested them. He definitely did the same on an Amtrak train.

After that happened Vern was paid a visit by the Federal Air Marshall's service in 1986 IIRC. He wasn't charged but they informed him that if he did that again it would be a slam dunk to convict him on a life sentence for impeding a flight crew in their official duty, among other 1960's era Felony Air Piracy laws that also carry life sentences. I'm pretty sure he did it on Frontier airlines.

In 2011 It was reaffirmed that airspace anywhere in the U.S. is solely Federal Jurisdiction.

God bless the federal government. 

[michigancat]

Dillon's should just start selling hard liquor just like when Kansas liquor stores did when they decided the Sunday sales ban wasn't fair.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

ben ji's random liquor store story

When I went to the game at Auburn we arrived in town and went to get some beers. We asked some people where the closest liquor store was and off we went. When we arrived we were shocked to find absolutely no beer. We asked the guy at the counter where the beer was and he gave us the Stupid yankee look "This is a liquore store son, if you want beer you need to go to the grocery store"

Apparently Alabama has some weird laws where only state run Liquor stores can sell hard alcohol, beer is only available in grocery stores.

In Pennsylvania, you can buy liquor at liquor stores, but have to go to the local state ABC warehouse to buy beer. Just cases of beer stacked randomly on pallets. I think you can also order beer to go from restaurants, though.

simple question  is liquor more expensive in Missouri or Kansas?

In KC, liquor tends to be ~10% cheaper on the Missouri side than on the Kansas side. Good to live near the state line.

As for the happy hour, we may see better prices for a few hours, but I'm going to miss some of the mid-week all-day specials. Taking off work early on Thursday to hit the $1.50 beer special on the patio about 2 pm was a good time.

Gotta be careful with this. It's illegal to take alcohol across state lines (Old prohibition law, I think) and there will be cops all over state line just waiting to slam a Kansas license plate with a felony for bringing a delicious 12-pack of Natural Light across the border.

Nope.

However, you're right in that this was once in effect. I've heard old stories of enforcement agents who would wait in the parking lot of a Missouri liquor store just across the state line and follow KS plates back across the line to bust them.

Good to know. And to think people honestly think there's nothing but bullshitting going on here. Sheesh!!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Kansas liquor store owners should either expand their business or sell to larger stores that are capable of doing so. I don't see any reason to feel sorry for business owners who have received huge unfair benefits in the way of government regulation. At least, I don't feel sorry enough for them to think that the government should compensate them.