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« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2012, 12:42:14 PM »
Well let me further my butthurt by dispelling a few more common misconceptions in public education.   It does not cost LESS than private education.  I'm not sure where someone got the figures for their cost per pupil but it's not ALWAYS less than the average public school.  It's around $12,000 per student – while private education most often runs from 5000 – 14000, but I’ve seen as high as 25000 per student.  Someone earlier posted the average as 8500 – and I would agree with that as that seems to be the median.  I'm speaking to Kansas only - and it will vary by state. 

Also - there are MANY different types of private schools.  To generalize them all by saying they all have the same curriculum of public schools shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.  There are private schools that have no curriculum - it's completely open learning and the teacher is only there as a guide in a students exploration.  There are private schools that build their entire curriculum around religion.  There are private schools that follow the same core standards – but they don’t teach to standardized tests and the teachers have freedom to teach how they want in their class.

I’ll re-emphasize my point.  There are FANTASTIC teachers in the public school system. My wife, Mother & Sister inlaw are, or at one point were, in the public school system and I would consider them each fantastic teachers.  But they are not able to teach to their best ability because they’re FORCED to teach TO standardized test.  Standardized test are only necessary because tax payers are demanding to see results.  So we’ve created this pointless metric to track how well kids are learning so some politician can tout his education platform and justify his/her state taxes.   This is the very reason I feel VERY STRONGLY that the government should stay the eff out of private education.  Even vouchers are a horrible idea.  Because it won’t be long before tax payers demand to see results in the private sector – when really it shouldn’t be any of their damned business.   You want to fix public education.  Stop mandating standardized test and allow teachers to teach lessons like Stellarcat was mentioning.   If kids learned with a hands on approach and weren’t stuck with memorization and repetition methods, there would be no drop off during summer break and it would take a lifetime to forget those lessons – not 3 months.

Regardless of the education method implemented by the various private schools out there, parents send their kids to private schools so their kids won't be in a classroom next to poor kids. Vouchers would defeat the point.

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« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2012, 01:08:25 PM »
Really?  Is that why you send your kid to private school? Are you racist?   Read my last post to see why my wife and I thought about sending our son to a private Montessori school.  FTR, we live in a middle-upper class town with less than 1% being minority. 


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« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2012, 01:11:41 PM »
Really?  Is that why you send your kid to private school? Are you racist?   Read my last post to see why my wife and I thought about sending our son to a private Montessori school.  FTR, we live in a middle-upper class town with less than 1% being minority. 


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« Reply #153 on: June 13, 2012, 01:54:41 PM »
guy I was in the frat with got his degree in education.  I was cramming for an international econ final and he had to play the recorder.

Now, he is a principal and texts me from the pool, gym and/or bar all summer.

I golf pak with him when I can but I have lots of work to do during the summer.

You left out that you make 2x or 3x his salary and that women react much better to hearing a guy is a lawyer than hearing a guy is a principal.

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« Reply #154 on: June 13, 2012, 02:08:57 PM »
guy I was in the frat with got his degree in education.  I was cramming for an international econ final and he had to play the recorder.

Now, he is a principal and texts me from the pool, gym and/or bar all summer.

I golf pak with him when I can but I have lots of work to do during the summer.

You left out that you make 2x or 3x his salary and that women react much better to hearing a guy is a lawyer than hearing a guy is a principal.

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« Reply #155 on: June 13, 2012, 02:25:35 PM »
Really?  Is that why you send your kid to private school? Are you racist?   Read my last post to see why my wife and I thought about sending our son to a private Montessori school.  FTR, we live in a middle-upper class town with less than 1% being minority. 


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« Reply #156 on: June 13, 2012, 03:09:52 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?


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« Reply #157 on: June 13, 2012, 03:38:01 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?

I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions.  It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi.  And no, We did not take our kid out of school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read.  That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.
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« Reply #158 on: June 13, 2012, 04:15:04 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?

I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions.  It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi.  And no, We did not take our kid out of school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read.  That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.

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« Reply #160 on: June 13, 2012, 04:20:00 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?

I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions.  It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi.  And no, We did not take our kid out of school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read.  That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.

My reading comprehension is fine, thanks.  I went back and reread, just to make sure that I didn't miss anything that you had said.  I get that you have problems with teaching to the NCLB tests, and that your child wasn't getting enough attention with regard to enrichment because of the other children in the class.   However, if I was teaching kindergarten, my first priority would be to teach the kid how to read.  And yes, I would find it frustrating if I knew that the student was refusing to learn to read because it was all a parlor trick.  I would have a hard time just letting that be okay and skipping reading instruction because the child would prefer to do something else.

I'm not sure where your child went to school, because I have never seen a classroom where snack cakes and Pepsi were given (or allowed) as snacks, or where a kindergarten teacher was cramming test prep...they don't have NCLB until third grade.

I'm glad that you can afford to homeschool, because a majority of people cannot.  I'm sure my son would learn at an accelerated pace if I could devote all of my time to teaching him.  I think school is more important, though, because he will learn more about interaction with others and expectations of society than I could ever teach him if I kept him home.

We agree on a lot regarding NCLB, and perhaps I overstepped a bit questioning you on your motives.  Like I said, the fact that six year olds are able to determine what they will and will not do is a frustration of mine, but you have to do what you think is right for your own kid.

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« Reply #161 on: June 13, 2012, 04:30:44 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?

I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions.  It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi.  And no, We did not take our kid out of school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read.  That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.

My reading comprehension is fine, thanks.  I went back and reread, just to make sure that I didn't miss anything that you had said.  I get that you have problems with teaching to the NCLB tests, and that your child wasn't getting enough attention with regard to enrichment because of the other children in the class.   However, if I was teaching kindergarten, my first priority would be to teach the kid how to read.  And yes, I would find it frustrating if I knew that the student was refusing to learn to read because it was all a parlor trick.  I would have a hard time just letting that be okay and skipping reading instruction because the child would prefer to do something else.

I'm not sure where your child went to school, because I have never seen a classroom where snack cakes and Pepsi were given (or allowed) as snacks, or where a kindergarten teacher was cramming test prep...they don't have NCLB until third grade.

I'm glad that you can afford to homeschool, because a majority of people cannot.  I'm sure my son would learn at an accelerated pace if I could devote all of my time to teaching him.  I think school is more important, though, because he will learn more about interaction with others and expectations of society than I could ever teach him if I kept him home.

We agree on a lot regarding NCLB, and perhaps I overstepped a bit questioning you on your motives.  Like I said, the fact that six year olds are able to determine what they will and will not do is a frustration of mine, but you have to do what you think is right for your own kid.

Agreed.  Reading is a passing fad in my opinion.  Will soon be antiquated like math and using the toilet.

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« Reply #162 on: June 13, 2012, 05:49:17 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?

I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions.  It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi.  And no, We did not take our kid out of school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read.  That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.

My reading comprehension is fine, thanks.  I went back and reread, just to make sure that I didn't miss anything that you had said.  I get that you have problems with teaching to the NCLB tests, and that your child wasn't getting enough attention with regard to enrichment because of the other children in the class.   However, if I was teaching kindergarten, my first priority would be to teach the kid how to read.  And yes, I would find it frustrating if I knew that the student was refusing to learn to read because it was all a parlor trick.  I would have a hard time just letting that be okay and skipping reading instruction because the child would prefer to do something else.

I'm not sure where your child went to school, because I have never seen a classroom where snack cakes and Pepsi were given (or allowed) as snacks, or where a kindergarten teacher was cramming test prep...they don't have NCLB until third grade.

I'm glad that you can afford to homeschool, because a majority of people cannot.  I'm sure my son would learn at an accelerated pace if I could devote all of my time to teaching him.  I think school is more important, though, because he will learn more about interaction with others and expectations of society than I could ever teach him if I kept him home.

We agree on a lot regarding NCLB, and perhaps I overstepped a bit questioning you on your motives.  Like I said, the fact that six year olds are able to determine what they will and will not do is a frustration of mine, but you have to do what you think is right for your own kid.

No, and sorry for attacking your reading comprehension; there's so much trolling going on towards little 'ol me, I figured the fishing was slow and you were throwing your bait out as well.   Your assessment of our decision to pull my son is a bit off.  It was primarily due to his sudden decrease in his passion for learning - which I attributed to his teacher being a 40 year old woman in her first year of teaching that just switched careers from nursing.  We had several issues but the major ones involved the teacher using my son as a surrogate for a learning disabled ADD kid; because my son was the only person he would play with & not bite.  That's not to say my kid was never disruptive, but during PT conferences, his teacher herself would defend my son saying he was never the instigator and everyone at the LD kids table constantly got into trouble.   That didn't stop us from having serious consequences for him when he did get into trouble, but when we noticed a trend of him avoiding trouble on the days LD kid was not there (which was often) we asked our teacher to move desk around - which she did... for 2 days.  She moved them back together because the LD kid would become un-managable when he couldn't sit next to his "only friend"  I honestly feel like an ass for not wanting that kid to sit next to mine but he went through pre-school and he ended up at the top of the class by years end; he started out so eager and loving kindergarten and within 3 months was begging to not go to school. (I'm sure I'll catch flack from what's his name that said parents put their kids in private school to stay away from poor kids, but that simply isn't true)  I'm aware that the testing had nothing to do with NCLB, but it didn't stop our teacher.  We actually asked why in kindergarten, kids were sent home with at the very least 3 pieces of homework on a daily basis and why they were tested monthly for retention.  We were told it was district curriculum and all kindergarten was like that now.  My wife and I feel however, that it was more a result of a 1st year teacher not receiving any proper guidance from administrators or peers.

The snack situation was a definite problem that was allowed and encouraged by the teacher.   Parents were responsible for bringing snack and we were told at the beginning of the year that healthy snacks are nice, but not to bother because they're often just thrown in the trash and kids only eat things that taste good.   Did I also mention his teacher was about 100 lb's overweight? 

It was never that my kid refused to learn to read - he was just burnt out.  He just didn't rough ridin' care and that's not who my son is.   It took 4 months of "un-schooling" to see that spark come back and he is again eager to learn to read.  We're seeing an eye specialist to check out his tracking tomorrow, as he has no problem reading sight words & sounding out longer words, but when reading books, he tends to not finish sentences and loses his place.   Which, for all of the trollers reading this, is completely normal for a 6 year old kid.
 
But anyway, the short answer to your question, we pulled him out because he hated school and was beginning to hate learning.  My wife being a teacher on an extended sabbatical to be a stay at home mom who just happened to be working on her masters as a reading specialist afforded us the opportunity to provide a better education for our kid.  Concerns over socialization were initially high on my list, but after this homeschooling experience, I realize this is hogwash.  He spends TONS of time around kids his own age and is even relating to kids better than before.   We live in a suburb of Wichita and we've found that Wichita, KS is the homeschooling capitol of the world.  There are hundreds of kids his age we see on our weekly excursions and he's made friends with several of the other homeschool kids - we also live in a neighborhood with 3 other families with kids his own age that he plays with on a daily basis.  Socialization is not a problem and anyone that tells you it is, isn't doing it right. 

But anyway, I felt through all of this thread that we were on the same side.  The reason you're not teaching anymore is likely the reason I hate public education and would rather my son and much younger daughter not be a part of it.   Listening to your 5th grade curriculum, I know you understand EXACTLY how I feel about repetitious learning and how to properly educate someone.   People may be taking offense to my position because it may seem I'm not on the teachers side.  Quite the contrary.  I'm not on government education's side.  I have a feeling that if more teachers could let go of the career that they've had to buy into to get by, they would agree whole heartedly. 

My question to you is this,  When did not supporting government education become not supporting teachers? It reminds me of people that tell me that I don't support our troops and I'm not a patriot because I don't agree with the current war we're in. 
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« Reply #163 on: June 13, 2012, 06:21:14 PM »
Well let me further my butthurt by dispelling a few more common misconceptions in public education.   It does not cost LESS than private education.  I'm not sure where someone got the figures for their cost per pupil but it's not ALWAYS less than the average public school.  It's around $12,000 per student – while private education most often runs from 5000 – 14000, but I’ve seen as high as 25000 per student.  Someone earlier posted the average as 8500 – and I would agree with that as that seems to be the median.  I'm speaking to Kansas only - and it will vary by state. 

Also - there are MANY different types of private schools.  To generalize them all by saying they all have the same curriculum of public schools shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.  There are private schools that have no curriculum - it's completely open learning and the teacher is only there as a guide in a students exploration.  There are private schools that build their entire curriculum around religion.  There are private schools that follow the same core standards – but they don’t teach to standardized tests and the teachers have freedom to teach how they want in their class.

I’ll re-emphasize my point.  There are FANTASTIC teachers in the public school system. My wife, Mother & Sister inlaw are, or at one point were, in the public school system and I would consider them each fantastic teachers.  But they are not able to teach to their best ability because they’re FORCED to teach TO standardized test.  Standardized test are only necessary because tax payers are demanding to see results.  So we’ve created this pointless metric to track how well kids are learning so some politician can tout his education platform and justify his/her state taxes.   This is the very reason I feel VERY STRONGLY that the government should stay the eff out of private education.  Even vouchers are a horrible idea.  Because it won’t be long before tax payers demand to see results in the private sector – when really it shouldn’t be any of their damned business.   You want to fix public education.  Stop mandating standardized test and allow teachers to teach lessons like Stellarcat was mentioning.   If kids learned with a hands on approach and weren’t stuck with memorization and repetition methods, there would be no drop off during summer break and it would take a lifetime to forget those lessons – not 3 months.
in no way does private education offer all the services available in a public education setting.  that is one thing people miss when they talk about privatising education.  There are tons of social services, welfare services, and family counciling services only available to certain segments of the population (low SES) through the school house.  A private school would have no interest whatsoever in accepted many students with the challenges that public schools are mandated to take care of.  This is one of the biggest reason why school vouchers scare me so much.  If any more money is stolen from public schools hundreds of thousands of kids would go without even more basic services.  Hell just look at free food programs.  There is something inherently wrong when the school is the place to provide a warm meal for a kid and its the highlight of their day. 
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« Reply #164 on: June 13, 2012, 06:26:27 PM »
Well let me further my butthurt by dispelling a few more common misconceptions in public education.   It does not cost LESS than private education.  I'm not sure where someone got the figures for their cost per pupil but it's not ALWAYS less than the average public school.  It's around $12,000 per student – while private education most often runs from 5000 – 14000, but I’ve seen as high as 25000 per student.  Someone earlier posted the average as 8500 – and I would agree with that as that seems to be the median.  I'm speaking to Kansas only - and it will vary by state. 

Also - there are MANY different types of private schools.  To generalize them all by saying they all have the same curriculum of public schools shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.  There are private schools that have no curriculum - it's completely open learning and the teacher is only there as a guide in a students exploration.  There are private schools that build their entire curriculum around religion.  There are private schools that follow the same core standards – but they don’t teach to standardized tests and the teachers have freedom to teach how they want in their class.

I’ll re-emphasize my point.  There are FANTASTIC teachers in the public school system. My wife, Mother & Sister inlaw are, or at one point were, in the public school system and I would consider them each fantastic teachers.  But they are not able to teach to their best ability because they’re FORCED to teach TO standardized test.  Standardized test are only necessary because tax payers are demanding to see results.  So we’ve created this pointless metric to track how well kids are learning so some politician can tout his education platform and justify his/her state taxes.   This is the very reason I feel VERY STRONGLY that the government should stay the eff out of private education.  Even vouchers are a horrible idea.  Because it won’t be long before tax payers demand to see results in the private sector – when really it shouldn’t be any of their damned business.   You want to fix public education.  Stop mandating standardized test and allow teachers to teach lessons like Stellarcat was mentioning.   If kids learned with a hands on approach and weren’t stuck with memorization and repetition methods, there would be no drop off during summer break and it would take a lifetime to forget those lessons – not 3 months.
in no way does private education offer all the services available in a public education setting.  that is one thing people miss when they talk about privatising education.  There are tons of social services, welfare services, and family counciling services only available to certain segments of the population (low SES) through the school house.  A private school would have no interest whatsoever in accepted many students with the challenges that public schools are mandated to take care of.  This is one of the biggest reason why school vouchers scare me so much.  If any more money is stolen from public schools hundreds of thousands of kids would go without even more basic services.  Hell just look at free food programs.  There is something inherently wrong when the school is the place to provide a warm meal for a kid and its the highlight of their day.

AGREE ENTIRELY. I'll go back to my first statement.  Government meddling in the private sector is NOT making public education any better.   Don't go around screwing with private education and call it leveling the playing field.
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« Reply #167 on: June 13, 2012, 10:14:02 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching.  While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told.  It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?

I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions.  It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi.  And no, We did not take our kid out juJu school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read.  That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.

My reading comprehension is fine, thanks.  I went back and reread, just to make sure that I didn't miss anything that you had said.  I get that you have problems with teaching to the NCLB tests, and that your child wasn't getting enough attention with regard to enrichment because of the other children in the class.   However, if I was teaching kindergarten, my first priority would be to teach the kid how to read.  And yes, I would find it frustrating if I knew that the student was refusing to learn to read because it was all a parlor trick.  I would have a hard time just letting that be okay and skipping reading instruction because the child would prefer to do something else.

I'm not sure where your child went to school, because I have never seen a classroom where snack cakes and Pepsi were given (or allowed) as snacks, or where a kindergarten teacher was cramming test prep...they don't have NCLB until third grade.

I'm glad that you can afford to homeschool, because a majority of people cannot.  I'm sure my son would learn at an accelerated pace if I could devote all of my time to teaching him.  I think school is more important, though, because he will learn more about interaction with others and expectations of society than I could ever teach him if I kept him home.

We agree on a lot regarding NCLB, and perhaps I overstepped a bit questioning you on your motives.  Like I said, the fact that six year olds are able to determine what they will and will not do is a frustration of mine, but you have to do what you think is right for your own kid.

No, and sorry for attacking your reading comprehension; there's so much trolling going on towards little 'ol me, I figured the fishing was slow and you were throwing your bait out as well.   Your assessment of our decision to pull my son is a bit off.  It was primarily due to his sudden decrease in his passion for learning - which I attributed to his teacher being a 40 year old woman in her first year of teaching that just switched careers from nursing.  We had several issues but the major ones involved the teacher using my son as a surrogate for a learning disabled ADD kid; because my son was the only person he would play with & not bite.  That's not to say my kid was never disruptive, but during PT conferences, his teacher herself would defend my son saying he was never the instigator and everyone at the LD kids table constantly got into trouble.   That didn't stop us from having serious consequences for him when he did get into trouble, but when we noticed a trend of him avoiding trouble on the days LD kid was not there (which was often) we asked our teacher to move desk around - which she did... for 2 days.  She moved them back together because the LD kid would become un-managable when he couldn't sit next to his "only friend"  I honestly feel like an ass for not wanting that kid to sit next to mine but he went through pre-school and he ended up at the top of the class by years end; he started out so eager and loving kindergarten and within 3 months was begging to not go to school. (I'm sure I'll catch flack from what's his name that said parents put their kids in private school to stay away from poor kids, but that simply isn't true)  I'm aware that the testing had nothing to do with NCLB, but it didn't stop our teacher.  We actually asked why in kindergarten, kids were sent home with at the very least 3 pieces of homework on a daily basis and why they were tested monthly for retention.  We were told it was district curriculum and all kindergarten was like that now.  My wife and I feel however, that it was more a result of a 1st year teacher not receiving any proper guidance from administrators or peers.

The snack situation was a definite problem that was allowed and encouraged by the teacher.   Parents were responsible for bringing snack and we were told at the beginning of the year that healthy snacks are nice, but not to bother because they're often just thrown in the trash and kids only eat things that taste good.   Did I also mention his teacher was about 100 lb's overweight? 

It was never that my kid refused to learn to read - he was just burnt out.  He just didn't rough ridin' care and that's not who my son is.   It took 4 months of "un-schooling" to see that spark come back and he is again eager to learn to read.  We're seeing an eye specialist to check out his tracking tomorrow, as he has no problem reading sight words & sounding out longer words, but when reading books, he tends to not finish sentences and loses his place.   Which, for all of the trollers reading this, is completely normal for a 6 year old kid.
 
But anyway, the short answer to your question, we pulled him out because he hated school and was beginning to hate learning.  My wife being a teacher on an extended sabbatical to be a stay at home mom who just happened to be working on her masters as a reading specialist afforded us the opportunity to provide a better education for our kid.  Concerns over socialization were initially high on my list, but after this homeschooling experience, I realize this is hogwash.  He spends TONS of time around kids his own age and is even relating to kids better than before.   We live in a suburb of Wichita and we've found that Wichita, KS is the homeschooling capitol of the world.  There are hundreds of kids his age we see on our weekly excursions and he's made friends with several of the other homeschool kids - we also live in a neighborhood with 3 other families with kids his own age that he plays with on a daily basis.  Socialization is not a problem and anyone that tells you it is, isn't doing it right. 

But anyway, I felt through all of this thread that we were on the same side.  The reason you're not teaching anymore is likely the reason I hate public education and would rather my son and much younger daughter not be a part of it.   Listening to your 5th grade curriculum, I know you understand EXACTLY how I feel about repetitious learning and how to properly educate someone.   People may be taking offense to my position because it may seem I'm not on the teachers side.  Quite the contrary.  I'm not on government education's side.  I have a feeling that if more teachers could let go of the career that they've had to buy into to get by, they would agree whole heartedly. 

My question to you is this,  When did not supporting government education become not supporting teachers? It reminds me of people that tell me that I don't support our troops and I'm not a patriot because I don't agree with the current war we're in.

Sounds like your son had a crappy teacher.  It sucks that his first school experience was poor. 

I don't think that you have to approve of the education system to support teachers.  I think education should be handled at the state level, though with Brownback, Kansas would be screwed. 

Oh, and homework in elementary school is stupid, especially in kindergarten. 

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« Reply #168 on: June 13, 2012, 10:15:50 PM »
Anyplace new in Salina that'll be a good spot for a late breakfast / early lunch on Monday?

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« Reply #169 on: June 13, 2012, 10:22:32 PM »
in no way does private education offer all the services available in a public education setting.  that is one thing people miss when they talk about privatising education.  There are tons of social services, welfare services, and family counciling services only available to certain segments of the population (low SES) through the school house.  A private school would have no interest whatsoever in accepted many students with the challenges that public schools are mandated to take care of.  This is one of the biggest reason why school vouchers scare me so much.  If any more money is stolen from public schools hundreds of thousands of kids would go without even more basic services.  Hell just look at free food programs.  There is something inherently wrong when the school is the place to provide a warm meal for a kid and its the highlight of their day.

Exactly.  Private schools don't have the special education, speech, OT services available, not are they required to provide those services at the same level as public schools. 

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« Reply #170 on: June 13, 2012, 10:32:01 PM »
I have a hard time imagining a kindergartner being "burnt out" on learning.

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« Reply #171 on: June 13, 2012, 10:34:00 PM »
Anyplace new in Salina that'll be a good spot for a late breakfast / early lunch on Monday?

Not really.  I never stray from Bogey's or La Casita when I eat in Salina.

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« Reply #172 on: June 13, 2012, 10:35:53 PM »
I have a hard time imagining a kindergartner being "burnt out" on learning.
as did I, which is what caused such a tremendous re-evaluation of our education ideals.  1 year ago, I would have NEVER considered homeschooling.  FTR, going back to public schooling has never and will never be ruled out with either of our kids.   
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« Reply #173 on: June 13, 2012, 10:43:06 PM »
Anyplace new in Salina that'll be a good spot for a late breakfast / early lunch on Monday?

Not really.  I never stray from Bogey's or La Casita when I eat in Salina.

Maybe I'll call up Scheme this weekend and see how much it would cost me to have them open up on Monday.

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A Google User reviewed 3 months ago
Overall 0 / 3
Extremely expensive. Terrible hours. Bad Service. Good pizza. They serve you with styrofoam plates and plastic utensils. $40 for a pizza served with STYROFOAM. F***ing seriously?
Liked: Pizza, Crust
Disliked: Service
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A Google User reviewed 6 months ago
Overall 0 / 3
Food takes FOREVER, they are definietly stuck on themselves. I had to go up and ask for refills, and they seemed like they were put out for me asking. Probably won't go back. Good music but not worth the price.
Liked: Food, Atmosphere
Disliked: Service, Value
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A Google User reviewed 9 months ago
Overall 0 / 3
Expensive. Slow. Dark. Expensive. Nearly non-existent service. Food's not bad, but $25 more than a pizza should ever cost.
Liked: Food
Disliked: Service, Atmosphere, Value
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A Google User reviewed 5 months ago
Overall 3 / 3
Great Pizza. Original atmosphere. Pizza does probably cost $5 to $10 more than it should. Drink prices are reasonable though. If you want a cheap pizza, go get a totino's at the grocery store.
Liked: Pizza, Crust
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A Google User reviewed 8 months ago
Overall 0 / 3
1 hr and no food. We left and heard they banned us. Great because I am not coming back. A few of our group stayed and it was 1.5 hr until food arrived and they blamed them because they ordered too much. Best of luck. With service like that your going to need it.
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A Google User reviewed 7 months ago
Overall 0 / 3
One type specialty pizza offered, which costs money to take items off when it is $30 to begin with. Cheese pizza costs 3 dollars per additional topping. Music is horrible and way too loud.
Disliked: Atmosphere
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A Google User reviewed 5 months ago
Overall 3 / 3
Slow but worth the wait. Love this place
Liked: Pizza, Crust
Disliked: Service
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A Google User reviewed 4 years ago
Overall 3 / 3
You have to get there on the weekends cause that is when they are open and the pizza is expensive but worth it. Kind of like UNO's if your familar with that pizza
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A Google User reviewed 8 months ago
Overall 0 / 3
Disliked: Food, Slow service, uninterested waitress, NOT kid friendly
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A Google User reviewed 9 months ago
Overall 3 / 3
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Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« Reply #174 on: June 13, 2012, 10:51:43 PM »


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I don't think the Scheme is worth the wait anyway.