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Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 03, 2012, 11:29:08 PMQuote from: AzCat on April 03, 2012, 11:24:20 PMWhether the fans care or not has little, if anything, to do with the performance of the program which is measured by wins & losses and/or NCAA Tournament appearances. At K-State they've been very tied together. The problem was football was doing so well nobody of importance cared that only 5-6K were showing up to basketball games. I was at the majority of those games when nothing was being done, and I honestly don't think that will happen again.Do I understand your position now _FAN as believing that Weber's ceiling is "ok-pretty good" and his floor is "mediocre"? Do you see how that might be tough to get rid of? I don't think that we've reached a point as a fan base that we can keep enthusiasm for the program going though 4-5 years of "ok" basketball. I could see a good tourney run next season (sweet 16+) followed by exactly what AZ was talking about in his definition. The NCAA's around half the seasons. "Bad" seasons being a handful of games under .500 (with "young" teams) in conference. The "good" years being a few over. I could see fan support not falling back to Asbury/Wolly days, but back into the 8-9k average. I could see that still being a tough fire for any AD 5-6 years from now. We're going to have a coach who is probably a really good guy. An "average joe" dude. One who will probably have a very clean program. Probably graduate players. I don't think it's much of a stretch to be a decade down the road with this coach and never have any real "excitement" in basketball (what I consider excitement now), but at the same time never have a clean break opportunity. In the end, not being quite as bad off as we were after the dark ages, but also not taking any steps forward. Which is even more daunting at a time when college athletics in general is in upheaval, and we need a K-State brand more then ever (potentially).
Quote from: AzCat on April 03, 2012, 11:24:20 PMWhether the fans care or not has little, if anything, to do with the performance of the program which is measured by wins & losses and/or NCAA Tournament appearances. At K-State they've been very tied together. The problem was football was doing so well nobody of importance cared that only 5-6K were showing up to basketball games. I was at the majority of those games when nothing was being done, and I honestly don't think that will happen again.
Whether the fans care or not has little, if anything, to do with the performance of the program which is measured by wins & losses and/or NCAA Tournament appearances.
Quote from: naturalselection on April 03, 2012, 11:50:30 PMDo I understand your position now _FAN as believing that Weber's ceiling is "ok-pretty good" and his floor is "mediocre"? Do you see how that might be tough to get rid of? I don't think that we've reached a point as a fan base that we can keep enthusiasm for the program going though 4-5 years of "ok" basketball. I could see a good tourney run next season (sweet 16+) followed by exactly what AZ was talking about in his definition. The NCAA's around half the seasons. "Bad" seasons being a handful of games under .500 (with "young" teams) in conference. The "good" years being a few over. I could see fan support not falling back to Asbury/Wolly days, but back into the 8-9k average. I could see that still being a tough fire for any AD 5-6 years from now. We're going to have a coach who is probably a really good guy. An "average joe" dude. One who will probably have a very clean program. Probably graduate players. I don't think it's much of a stretch to be a decade down the road with this coach and never have any real "excitement" in basketball (what I consider excitement now), but at the same time never have a clean break opportunity. In the end, not being quite as bad off as we were after the dark ages, but also not taking any steps forward. Which is even more daunting at a time when college athletics in general is in upheaval, and we need a K-State brand more then ever (potentially). This was pretty good.
Do I understand your position now _FAN as believing that Weber's ceiling is "ok-pretty good" and his floor is "mediocre"? Do you see how that might be tough to get rid of? I don't think that we've reached a point as a fan base that we can keep enthusiasm for the program going though 4-5 years of "ok" basketball. I could see a good tourney run next season (sweet 16+) followed by exactly what AZ was talking about in his definition. The NCAA's around half the seasons. "Bad" seasons being a handful of games under .500 (with "young" teams) in conference. The "good" years being a few over. I could see fan support not falling back to Asbury/Wolly days, but back into the 8-9k average. I could see that still being a tough fire for any AD 5-6 years from now. We're going to have a coach who is probably a really good guy. An "average joe" dude. One who will probably have a very clean program. Probably graduate players. I don't think it's much of a stretch to be a decade down the road with this coach and never have any real "excitement" in basketball (what I consider excitement now), but at the same time never have a clean break opportunity. In the end, not being quite as bad off as we were after the dark ages, but also not taking any steps forward. Which is even more daunting at a time when college athletics in general is in upheaval, and we need a K-State brand more then ever (potentially).
Quote from: michigancat on February 23, 2016, 08:31:45 AMQuote from: naturalselection on April 03, 2012, 11:50:30 PMDo I understand your position now _FAN as believing that Weber's ceiling is "ok-pretty good" and his floor is "mediocre"? Do you see how that might be tough to get rid of? I don't think that we've reached a point as a fan base that we can keep enthusiasm for the program going though 4-5 years of "ok" basketball. I could see a good tourney run next season (sweet 16+) followed by exactly what AZ was talking about in his definition. The NCAA's around half the seasons. "Bad" seasons being a handful of games under .500 (with "young" teams) in conference. The "good" years being a few over. I could see fan support not falling back to Asbury/Wolly days, but back into the 8-9k average. I could see that still being a tough fire for any AD 5-6 years from now. We're going to have a coach who is probably a really good guy. An "average joe" dude. One who will probably have a very clean program. Probably graduate players. I don't think it's much of a stretch to be a decade down the road with this coach and never have any real "excitement" in basketball (what I consider excitement now), but at the same time never have a clean break opportunity. In the end, not being quite as bad off as we were after the dark ages, but also not taking any steps forward. Which is even more daunting at a time when college athletics in general is in upheaval, and we need a K-State brand more then ever (potentially). This was pretty good.Yeah, he nailed it. We're pretty much exactly in that spot.
I see the B12 as being a consistent 5-7 bid league, no reason Kstste shouldn't be one of those teams 4 out of 5 years.
the only answer is underwood.
Alright, I'm putting my chips on the table.
I love Mack, but if he was going to leave he would be gone. And he isn't leaving for K-State.
Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:15:20 AMI love Mack, but if he was going to leave he would be gone. And he isn't leaving for K-State.Missouri fans post-Quin said that about Huggins coming to KState.
Go ahead and dream. That's a completely different scenario though. Huggins wasn't going to get a job much better than K-State at the time. Mack isn't going to take a job at K-State's level at this time when he can get a top flight P5 job if he wants it.Again, I love Mack, but I've got my sites set on guys like Underwood and Kelvin.And I still expect to be disappointed.
Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:22:52 AMGo ahead and dream. That's a completely different scenario though. Huggins wasn't going to get a job much better than K-State at the time. Mack isn't going to take a job at K-State's level at this time when he can get a top flight P5 job if he wants it.Again, I love Mack, but I've got my sites set on guys like Underwood and Kelvin.And I still expect to be disappointed.Might as well dream because Currie is not going to interview a guy he already interviewed and turned down and who worked for the guy that Currie ran out of town (Brad) and he sure as hell isn't going to go for a guy that has been run twice for cheating (Sampson). If Mack is a dream, Brad and Kelvin are wet dreams with Kate Upton!
if not underwood, keep weber.
