Author Topic: K-State basketball history and oscar Weber (Read 53223 times)

Trim · « **Reply #275 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:35:32 AM »

Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:31:43 AM

Quote from: Ptolemy on February 23, 2016, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:22:52 AM

Go ahead and dream.

That's a completely different scenario though. Huggins wasn't going to get a job much better than K-State at the time. Mack isn't going to take a job at K-State's level at this time when he can get a top flight P5 job if he wants it.

Again, I love Mack, but I've got my sites set on guys like Underwood and Kelvin.

And I still expect to be disappointed.

Might as well dream because Currie is not going to interview a guy he already interviewed and turned down and who worked for the guy that Currie ran out of town (Brad) and he sure as hell isn't going to go for a guy that has been run twice for cheating (Sampson).

If Mack is a dream, Brad and Kelvin are wet dreams with Kate Upton!

Time can heal all wounds.

I'm just trying to pick what I think are a) good coaches that b) will come to K-State. Both of those guys fit that IMHO.

I'm sure Currie would love to be able to interview Brad.

CNS · « **Reply #276 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:35:53 AM »

I wouldn't even want the job if I was Brad. Wait it out get another gig.

Also, no way should we keep Weber. Losing is not entertaining. The appearance of impotence is not fun. Losery excuses are not enjoyable(past the point that you would hope someone higher up would get sick of them).

Honestly, if the next guy is a Weber or worse, I am gone.

Life has enough frustration in it. Why add more by turning on some obscure Fox channel to watch bad basketball.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #277 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:36:56 AM »

Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:31:43 AM

I'm just trying to pick what I think are a) good coaches that b) will come to K-State. Both of those guys fit that IMHO.

"that will come to KState?!?!"

Remember, "...why go for 2nd place when 1st is available?"

The level of self-loathing our fanbase has is extraordinary!

kso_FAN · « **Reply #278 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:38:58 AM »

Quote from: CNS on February 23, 2016, 11:35:53 AM

I wouldn't even want the job if I was Brad. Wait it out get another gig.

Also, no way should we keep Weber. Losing is not entertaining. The appearance of impotence is not fun. Losery excuses are not enjoyable(past the point that you would hope someone higher up would get sick of them).

Honestly, if the next guy is a Weber or worse, I am gone.

Life has enough frustration in it. Why add more by turning on some obscure Fox channel to watch bad basketball.

I'm sure at some point Huggs never wanted the West Virginia job either. The appeal of coaching at home can overcome things. JMHO.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #279 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:40:57 AM »

I've given up hope on Underwood, because in a way that would be an admission by the administration that they made a mistake running off Frank, since Brad was a part of that. I don't think this group of leaders is into admitting their mistakes in any way, shape, or form.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #280 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:41:22 AM »

Quote from: Ptolemy on February 23, 2016, 11:36:56 AM

Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:31:43 AM
I'm just trying to pick what I think are a) good coaches that b) will come to K-State. Both of those guys fit that IMHO.

"that will come to KState?!?!"

Remember, "...why go for 2nd place when 1st is available?"

The level of self-loathing our fanbase has is extraordinary!

I'm not loathing anything. I'm trying to be realistic.

Why don't just call for hiring Self then? Let's get Shaka from Texas.

I wanted Mack the last two times as well, I've just come to realize if he hasn't left Xavier for some K-State level job (a school with good tradition, but not winning conference titles and making Final 4s regularly) then he probably won't any time soon.

Sorry if that's me being self loathing. Give me a break.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #281 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:43:06 AM »

_BBB is correct about Mack. A big $ amount in 2012 might have gotten him, but that ship has sailed. North Carolina is about to come open for goodness sake!

sys · « **Reply #282 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:44:12 AM »

there's no reason to think mack is a better coach than underwood.

michigancat · « **Reply #283 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:45:51 AM »

Quote from: sys on February 23, 2016, 11:44:12 AM

there's no reason to think mack is a better coach than underwood.

There's definitely more unknowns with Underwood.

sys · « **Reply #284 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:46:46 AM »

exactly.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #285 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:47:50 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on February 23, 2016, 11:45:51 AM

Quote from: sys on February 23, 2016, 11:44:12 AM
there's no reason to think mack is a better coach than underwood.
There's definitely more unknowns with Underwood.

Yeah, Mack has sustained success. He's a really good coach and I would love to have him, but he's waiting for bigger and better. If I were him I would be waiting too, or just stay at X and be good for a long time.

meow meow · « **Reply #286 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:49:46 AM »

my guess is that if Currie did fire Weber, Weber would probably be on Currie's shortlist of coaches to fill the vacated position, and he's probably have a good shot of getting the job. Would that be unprecedented? Kind of like resetting the shot clock for Oscar? Currie interviews Sampson, Sampson says no thanks, then Currie hires his 2nd option, oscar Weber, who already has a house in the area.

michigancat · « **Reply #287 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:50:56 AM »

Quote from: ksu_BBB on February 23, 2016, 11:47:50 AM

Quote from: michigancat on February 23, 2016, 11:45:51 AM
Quote from: sys on February 23, 2016, 11:44:12 AM
there's no reason to think mack is a better coach than underwood.
There's definitely more unknowns with Underwood.

Yeah, Mack has sustained success. He's a really good coach and I would love to have him, but he's waiting for bigger and better. If I were him I would be waiting too, or just stay at X and be good for a long time.

Yeah he has way too much goodwill built up. I'm guessing he's paying close attention to Buzz at VT.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #288 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:51:43 AM »

Quote from: meow meow on February 23, 2016, 11:49:46 AM

my guess is that if Currie did fire Weber, Weber would probably be on Currie's shortlist of coaches to fill the vacated position, and he's probably have a good shot of getting the job. Would that be unprecedented? Kind of like resetting the shot clock for Oscar? Currie interviews Sampson, Sampson says no thanks, then Currie hires his 2nd option, oscar Weber, who already has a house in the area.

It would be interesting to see if oscar could get fired and then rehired and take his own recruits and win. Just fire oscar, interview other guys, and rehire him every 2-3 years.

CNS · « **Reply #289 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:52:03 AM »

No one is going to get fired. Currie will just grab Weber's Head Coach sign, give it to TwoCoaches, grab TwoCoaches Assist Coach sign, and give it to Weber.

Ptolemy · « **Reply #290 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:53:06 AM »

With John Currie as our AD for 7 years with no prospects for moving on and Schulz policing students' usage of bad words as his highest daily goal, dreaming is all we CAN do for entertainment during basketball season.

CNS · « **Reply #291 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:54:34 AM »

Pre Huggs, and after it was apparent what Wooly was, I was a fan of basically any good match up. It was great. Turn on a good game, root for a good game. No disappointment. Tons of entertainment.

My goal is to get that back next year.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #292 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:56:26 AM »

The recent history of X coaches is pretty amazing.

Gillen (7 NCAAs in 9 years, 1 Sweet 16) to Prosser (3 NCAAs in 6 years) to Matta (3 NCAAs in 3 years, Elite 8) to Miller (5 NCAAs in 6 years, 2 Sweet 16s, Elite 8) to Mack (5 NCAAs in first 6 years, 3 Sweet 16s).

Incredible.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #293 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:57:08 AM »

I know that some of us talked about it a few years ago- but getting rid of frank, the weber hire, getting rid of standstorm, demanding students and people calm down inside bram. I mean, I've thought for a while that kstate would be happy to kill basketball if they thought it would make football stronger and nothing has happened recently to change that. by all means they might get rid of oscar in a couple of years, but don't think they'll swing for a homerun basketball hire. ku gets basketball and kstate is going to try the football route.

CNS · « **Reply #294 on:** February 23, 2016, 11:57:38 AM »

We should hire their AD, then have him fire oscar.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #295 on:** February 23, 2016, 12:04:37 PM »

I mean, our AD made it abundantly clear how they felt about basketball five years ago when they told us that successful Illinois coaches to ku and unsuccessful ones go to kstate. no reason to think anything has changed since then.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #296 on:** February 23, 2016, 12:12:58 PM »

Quote from: Rick RowdyBoyy Daris on February 23, 2016, 12:04:37 PM

I mean, our AD made it abundantly clear how they felt about basketball five years ago when they told us that successful Illinois coaches to ku and unsuccessful ones go to kstate. no reason to think anything has changed since then.

Fired semi successful women's coach and hired semi-successful TCU women's coach?

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #297 on:** February 23, 2016, 12:20:13 PM »

deb was also apparently pretty demanding and time consuming to manage. pretty easy call to get rid of her and replace her with a 50 year old white guy who has some ties to the area.

_33 · « **Reply #298 on:** February 23, 2016, 12:25:23 PM »

Since one of my favorite things is investing a lot of time, passion and emotion into hoping things happen that have no chance at happening I'm going to continue to #Gottlieb4KSU.

slackcat · « **Reply #299 on:** February 23, 2016, 12:42:54 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on February 23, 2016, 11:40:57 AM

I've given up hope on Underwood, because in a way that would be an admission by the administration that they made a mistake running off Frank, since Brad was a part of that. I don't think this group of leaders is into admitting their mistakes in any way, shape, or form.

But really, who's to say Curie and Shultz see Weber as a mistake? Within another year or two they won't have to worry about court storming and foul language, which appear to be very high on their "no-no" list.