K-State basketball history and oscar Weber

[wetwillie]

Judging by how smoothly he handed the WBB transfer issue, I don't think admitting mistakes and correcting them is Currie's strong suit.

yep.  he'll go down swinging with the oscar hire and bring our program with him.

hopefully Snyder lives long enough to keep him from taking the other program with him too.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's time for John Currie to move on . . . his entire tenure at K-State has been all about his next job.  He's done a great job raising money, he's done a great job of understanding the importance of pricing certain seats in our venues correctly and getting them filled, he's done a great job in many areas.

But it's very obvious he's running the athletic department in a way that will heighten his appeal for his next job, and that's just not going to pay off in the long run.   Based on what I know, I'm sure he thought he'd be on to the next job by now, so maybe that ship has sailed.

[KITNfury]

Maybe, but if he fucks up the football hire, he and everyone else knows he isn't getting hired soon as AD anywhere else.

[Mixed-Nutz]

You promote from with in until the wheels fall off. Coaching regime changes alway hurt programs.

[8manpick]

You promote from with in until the wheels fall off. Coaching regime changes alway hurt programs.

This is great stuff

[chum1]

Has anybody thought of the scandal approach?  Maybe someone tapes a kilo of Colombian bam - bam under squeaky - clean ' s car.

As a matter of fact, I believe this sort of option has been discused before here.

[CNS]

Maybe, but if he fucks up the football hire, he and everyone else knows he isn't getting hired soon as AD anywhere else.

He won't be ours after that either, though.

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[MakeItRain]

You promote from with in until the wheels fall off. Coaching regime changes alway hurt programs.

HOLY crap. Mixed Nutz hang it up bro, its over

[KST8FAN]

To get a good grasp of the dark days of K-State basketball we have to really look at each hire that occurred after Hartman retired. Hartman was the last great long time coach for K-State basketball and the last coach to bring K-State league championships.
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2009

_FAN perhaps you're too young, but as a student from 82-86 the slide into mediocrity of K-State basketball were well under way while Jack Hartman was still the coach.  I don't think this can be ignored.  Jack banked a lot of goodwill based on what he did the first six years in Manhattan (two league titles, three Elite Eights). 

When he retired after the 86 season we were a full decade removed from his last league title and four years from our last NCAA tournament appearance. 

Jack's teams only made the tournament four times in those last 10 years at K-State.  Granted there were a couple of memorable runs in the tournament (Elite Eight in 81, sweet sixteens in 77,82) He was just 71-69 in Big 8 league games those last 10 years.



Tom

[kso_FAN]

I am too young to remember much of it, but I know the end of Jack was mediocre. Lon have a brief respite before the real stretch of bad basketball happened.

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's time for John Currie to move on . . . his entire tenure at K-State has been all about his next job.  He's done a great job raising money, he's done a great job of understanding the importance of pricing certain seats in our venues correctly and getting them filled, he's done a great job in many areas.

But it's very obvious he's running the athletic department in a way that will heighten his appeal for his next job, and that's just not going to pay off in the long run.   Based on what I know, I'm sure he thought he'd be on to the next job by now, so maybe that ship has sailed.

I have no problem with Currie making himself an attractive candidate at other schools because he has to improve athletics at Kansas State for that to happen. I have a problem with the things he has done that make him less attractive to other schools, like running off Frank for oscar.

[pissclams]

currie didn't run frank off, he suspended jamar.  frank left on his own and there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around.

[ksupamplemousse]

currie didn't run frank off, he suspended jamar.  frank left on his own and there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around.

He did everything he could to make sure Frank felt uncomfortable and unsupported his last couple years at K-State. I thought Frank showed a lot of restraint not turning around and choke slamming Currie while he was taking notes directly behind the bench during every rough ridin' game.

[pissclams]

currie didn't run frank off, he suspended jamar.  frank left on his own and there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around.

He did everything he could to make sure Frank felt uncomfortable and unsupported his last couple years at K-State. I thought Frank showed a lot of restraint not turning around and choke slamming Currie while he was taking notes directly behind the bench during every rough ridin' game.

this is unsubstantiated goEMAW drivel

[wetwillie]

Currie photoshopped Marcus out of the basketball poster.

[Skipper44]

currie didn't run frank off, he suspended jamar.  frank left on his own and there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around.

jrake post

[sonofdaxjones]

Yet Frank has been suspended/had to publically apologize for his actions multiple times while at his current job, where, BTW, he's pretty much sucking a$$.  He laid hands on a player at K-State on national TV during a game and only had to issue a limp wristed apology. 

The Frankites pretty much need to shush themselves.

[Benja]

Anyone else notice and think its kinda weird how oscar always does the blow-by thing when shaking hands with the other coach after a game? Most at least look you in the eyes when they shake your hand if not say a few words. Like, what's the deal there?

[Stevesie60]

Anyone else notice and think its kinda weird how oscar always does the blow-by thing when shaking hands with the other coach after a game? Most at least look you in the eyes when they shake your hand if not say a few words. Like, what's the deal there?

I imagine oscar has Asperger's.

[MakeItRain]

there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around

how stupid

[j rake]

there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around

how stupid

frank is 3-22 in SEC road games and has assembled the worst offensive team in a watered-down conference where only Kentucky is worthy of a top-25 ranking. he's been suspended, publicly reprimanded, oversees a boring, unwatchable team and is likely to finish his third season with a sub-.500 record. he'll return south carolina to occasional relevance - eventually - but his tenure will be unmemorable and his resume might end up worse than that of dave odum, king of the NIT.

k-state might have ended up with an oldsmobile (oscar), but they didn't trade in a cadillac to get it. 

[pissclams]

there's no reason to think we would be any better today if he stuck around

how stupid

frank is 3-22 in SEC road games and has assembled the worst offensive team in a watered-down conference where only Kentucky is worthy of a top-25 ranking. he's been suspended, publicly reprimanded, oversees a boring, unwatchable team and is likely to finish his third season with a sub-.500 record. he'll return south carolina to occasional relevance - eventually - but his tenure will be unmemorable and his resume might end up worse than that of dave odum, king of the NIT.

k-state might have ended up with an oldsmobile (oscar), but they didn't trade in a cadillac to get it. 

you have to temper the reality of frank being a mediocre coach with some posters here
oscar has won the big 12 and gone to the ncaa tournament in his 2 opportunities to make it since taking over for frank.
to so firmly believe that frank would have done more with this program is ignorant.  to assume he wouldn't also experience a down year like this year is naive.

[CNS]

Anyone else notice and think its kinda weird how oscar always does the blow-by thing when shaking hands with the other coach after a game? Most at least look you in the eyes when they shake your hand if not say a few words. Like, what's the deal there?

I imagine oscar has Asperger's.

Yep.  I mean, at least a little, if not a whole crap ton lot.

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[catzacker]

I’ll go ahead and agree with clams to a certain extent.  I think frank’s trajectory was downward given his franking and recruiting.  My hope was that he’d have a good year (oscar's first year) and move on to a better job, thereby making it at least appear like KSU is an attractive position to get you the next gig (which should attract good coaches).  Instead he goes to a lateral at best job and sucks and it looks like KSU has some goodie-two-shoes AD that can’t get along with successful coaches.  I don’t think we’d be this bad, because I think we’d at a minimum Frank would have a point guard.

[j rake]

from a pure basketball standpoint - X's and O's, knowledge, etc. - there probably isn't much difference between oscar and frank. you could probably make the argument that oscar is superior in that regard.

but frank, as much as i can't stand the guy, gets his teams to play consistently harder than oscar has. i don't subscribe to the theory that oscar has "lost the team." a few lousy road efforts, an out-of-context quote and seven seconds of video from a 20-second huddle doesn't prove anything.

i suspect k-state will play extremely hard tonight and will have a chance to win in the closing minutes.