K-State basketball history and oscar Weber

[bones129]

I don't think Currie has a choice in who he hires.  I think the fans, donors, and media have already anointed Brad, and if he didn't make that hire after this debacle, he can probably kiss any major future stadium renovations goodbye.

The groundswell for Brad is palpable at this point.

I don't think there is nearly the amount of widespread support for brad that you claim there to be.  If there were I think that oscar would definitely be fired at seasons end.

Unless there is some sort of egregious conduct issue, there is almost a zero percent chance oscar would get fired after the first two years he had.  No AD will make that move.   Regardless of what the fans want.

Yes. If coaches were robots I could see oscar getting booted this season, but any potential coach would probably look at the former coach getting a quick hook with skepticism. Add on any lingering gossip and rumor from Frank's leaving, and maybe it is best to just get a new AD.

The next coach is brad underwood and he DNGAF if oscar gets a quick hook and what happened to Frank if he gets a job coaching for his alma mater and tripled his salary.

You're right. Brad wouldn't care. Just about any outside coach would at least take pause. And like I said, throw in that Currie couldn't get along with the previous coach (regardless of fault) and you've got a double whammy. I wonder what effect Currie's past with Brad's old boss would have on his decision.

Currie is going to have to hire a football coach soon.  That factors into this decision, too. 

He can't appear to be a quick trigger guy at a place like KSU.

Counter point:  Among K-Staters, isn't Currie at risk of being the "guy you don't trust with another hire," if Weber keeps this downward trajectory?

Yes

[kso_FAN]

Yeah, if oscar had failed right away, it would've been easy. I always understood the original #BID sentiment about this, but I could never purposely hope a K-State team would fail. Of course, I enjoyed the Big 12 title and even last year and never imagined a complete collapse like we've seen this year. Still, Currie has to have some semblance of patience with oscar after his first two year's success or it will be tough to hire a coach. I think he'll be fine next year if the season is similar, but this year it would be really tough to fire oscar without some other cause, even with the terrible play on the court.

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http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/Bruce_Weber_Contract.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/Contract.pdf

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ksu/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/WeberExtension.pdf

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With the way Currie's been extending and raising him, the buyout's pretty much always going to be 2.5 million, unless he's never extended again and then let go before the last year of his current contract, and then it'd only be 2.25 million.

[ednksu]

Yeah, if oscar had failed right away, it would've been easy. I always understood the original #BID sentiment about this, but I could never purposely hope a K-State team would fail. Of course, I enjoyed the Big 12 title and even last year and never imagined a complete collapse like we've seen this year. Still, Currie has to have some semblance of patience with oscar after his first two year's success or it will be tough to hire a coach. I think he'll be fine next year if the season is similar, but this year it would be really tough to fire oscar without some other cause, even with the terrible play on the court.

I am i mistaken in BID ideology that it wasn't so much rooting for the team to fail, but knowing it would fail and wishing the hastening of said failure? I bet thats what I should be getting out of the first part of your post, but to me it seems like that added layer isn't there (probably because you left it off).

[CHONGS]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

I would also point out that this "slide" under oscar didn't start this season.  It started well before Foster went to any camps.  It started last February.

[Kat Kid]

it is $2.5 million less whatever oscar gets paid to coach basketball somewhere else.  Maybe we can trade oscar like an NBA expiring contract to some program that would like to do what Currie did with oscar?

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I would also point out that this "slide" under oscar didn't start this season.  It started well before Foster went to any camps.  It started last February.

02/10/14   vs. Kansas  TV   Bramlage Coliseum   W, 85-82 (OT)
02/15/14   at Baylor  TV   Waco, Texas   L, 87-73 (2OT)
02/19/14   vs. TCU  TV   Bramlage Coliseum   W, 65-53
02/22/14   at Oklahoma  TV   Norman, Okla.   L, 86-73
02/25/14   at Texas Tech TV   Lubbock, Texas   W, 60-56
03/01/14   vs. Iowa State TV   Bramlage Coliseum   W, 80-73
03/03/14   at Oklahoma State  TV   Stillwater, Okla.   L, 77-61
03/08/14   vs. Baylor  TV   Bramlage Coliseum   L, 76-74
Phillips 66 Big 12 Championship
03/13/14   vs. Iowa State TV   Sprint Center   L, 91-85
NCAA Tournament
03/21/14   vs. Kentucky TV   St. Louis, Mo.   L, 56-49

[CHONGS]

I think I should start a bet: I will pay $100 to the fatty fund for every year before 2020 that oscar is not KSU's coach...

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it is $2.5 million less whatever oscar gets paid to coach basketball somewhere else.  Maybe we can trade oscar like an NBA expiring contract to some program that would like to do what Currie did with oscar?

To rely on that mitigation clause before we have to start paying, we'd almost have to proactively assist him.  The 1st of 24 equal payments of the buyout is due 30 days after termination.

If they fire him (lol), they have to presume they'd be paying all of the buyout while hoping they won't have to.

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I think I should start a bet: I will pay $100 to the fatty fund for every year before 2020 that oscar is not KSU's coach...

Welp, Chingon's out on donating to the Fatty Fund. 

[wetwillie]

if anyone purchases tickets or goes to games next year they are endorsing oscar and the death of the program

[Kat Kid]

it is $2.5 million less whatever oscar gets paid to coach basketball somewhere else.  Maybe we can trade oscar like an NBA expiring contract to some program that would like to do what Currie did with oscar?

To rely on that mitigation clause before we have to start paying, we'd almost have to proactively assist him.  The 1st of 24 equal payments of the buyout is due 30 days after termination.

If they fire him (lol), they have to presume they'd be paying all of the buyout while hoping they won't have to.

But isn't any mitigation during the course of those payments cause for a smaller payment?  What am I missing there?  It is kind of like a 24 month non-compete/buyout thing as I read it.

[j rake]

why would currie offer a huge buyout to a coach that literally had no other options, even after the big 12 title run?

is this earth?

[nicname]

Yeah, if oscar had failed right away, it would've been easy. I always understood the original #BID sentiment about this, but I could never purposely hope a K-State team would fail. Of course, I enjoyed the Big 12 title and even last year and never imagined a complete collapse like we've seen this year. Still, Currie has to have some semblance of patience with oscar after his first two year's success or it will be tough to hire a coach. I think he'll be fine next year if the season is similar, but this year it would be really tough to fire oscar without some other cause, even with the terrible play on the court.

I am i mistaken in BID ideology that it wasn't so much rooting for the team to fail, but knowing it would fail and wishing the hastening of said failure? I bet thats what I should be getting out of the first part of your post, but to me it seems like that added layer isn't there (probably because you left it off).

You're not mistaken, but it doesn't make it any easier to actively hope for a quick death.

[Kat Kid]

why would currie offer a huge buyout to a coach that literally had no other options, even after the big 12 title run?

is this earth?

Probably the same buyout Frank had.

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it is $2.5 million less whatever oscar gets paid to coach basketball somewhere else.  Maybe we can trade oscar like an NBA expiring contract to some program that would like to do what Currie did with oscar?

To rely on that mitigation clause before we have to start paying, we'd almost have to proactively assist him.  The 1st of 24 equal payments of the buyout is due 30 days after termination.

If they fire him (lol), they have to presume they'd be paying all of the buyout while hoping they won't have to.

But isn't any mitigation during the course of those payments cause for a smaller payment?  What am I missing there?  It is kind of like a 24 month non-compete/buyout thing as I read it.

You're right.  Any coaching money he makes over the 24 months after termination is money K-State has to pay him. 

But it'd be foolish to count on that. 

1) It's not that we'd wait 24 months to see if somebody hires him and then pay him the figure.  Check #1 for $100K+ gets cut 30 days after canning him, and every 30 days thereafter.  So budgeting for that buyout has to presume it's being paid out in full, at least to start.

2) The only 3+ people dumb enough to hire Weber last time were John Currie, Kirk Schulz and whoever hires coaches at the College of Charleston.  Someone would have to be even dumber the next time.  It'd definitely be a hope, not something one could rely on.

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why would currie offer a huge buyout to a coach that literally had no other options, even after the big 12 title run?

is this earth?

Probably the same buyout Frank had.

Yes, if I remember right, they basically did a Find and Replace of Frank and oscar's names in the word version of the contract.  Hang on.

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why would currie offer a huge buyout to a coach that literally had no other options, even after the big 12 title run?

is this earth?

Probably the same buyout Frank had.

Yes, if I remember right, they basically did a Find and Replace of Frank and oscar's names in the word version of the contract.  Hang on.

I'm wrong.  Frank had the lesser of 4m or remaining term.  No idea what the 2.5 rationale was for oscar.

http://cjonline.com/sites/default/files/Frank%20Martin's%20contract%20(2010)_0.pdf

[kso_FAN]

2) The only 3+ people dumb enough to hire Weber last time were John Currie, Kirk Schulz and whoever hires coaches at the College of Charleston.  Someone would have to be even dumber the next time.  It'd definitely be a hope, not something one could rely on.

Interesting that C of C is already on their 2nd coach since they almost hired oscar. Of course Wojcik gave them cause besides going 14-18 in his 2nd season by abusing players and coaches.

I am i mistaken in BID ideology that it wasn't so much rooting for the team to fail, but knowing it would fail and wishing the hastening of said failure? I bet thats what I should be getting out of the first part of your post, but to me it seems like that added layer isn't there (probably because you left it off).

You are not mistaken.

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2) The only 3+ people dumb enough to hire Weber last time were John Currie, Kirk Schulz and whoever hires coaches at the College of Charleston.  Someone would have to be even dumber the next time.  It'd definitely be a hope, not something one could rely on.

Interesting that C of C is already on their 2nd coach since they almost hired oscar. Of course Wojcik gave them cause besides going 14-18 in his 2nd season by abusing players and coaches.

Well then that could work!

[catzacker]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

Yep.  We are stuck with him for a while. Slow death.

[CNS]

if anyone purchases tickets or goes to games next year they are endorsing oscar and the death of the program

Been trying to make some ppl on Twitter understand this for a while now.

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[kso_FAN]

Oh come on guys, you know oscar is essentially untouchable.  The narrative for the season was written the moment he benched Foster. 

Yep.  We are stuck with him for a while. Slow death.

This doesn't seem slow.

[EMAWzified]

Don't coaches get all upset when they don't get an extension, because it makes it harder to recruit? Sometimes they get so upset they look elsewhere. Of course, as has been pointed out, elsewhere is problematic.